American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[ALUS78]

Interesting! If the card drive stalled, is it a coincidence negotiations have stalled?
Whether or not a card drive has stalled, whether or not negotiations have stalled, my prediction is changes-r-a-coming!
Complacency will be regretted.

I dont know if it stalled I think ATD is a jerk off so when people see him they tend to walk the other way

 

[robbedagain]

On the latest proposal from the company which was on jet net, they told you they were offering a 5.5 company base with a 4% match and no pension. Do you think that’s good enough?

That in my opinion is horse crap .Thats what EN...Piedmont...offered back in the mid 2000s. Its not bad for small regional air carrier .But for the world's largest that shows total disregard from mgmt and further shows no respect for us the front line folks who are out working in all weather while mgmt is comfy cozy inside

 

[Tim Nelson]

No one should ever hold their breath waiting for you with these things that’s for sure.



I always assume anything and everything comes from your own mind Sybil.

BTW even if I was decent I have no interest in your Group page anyway. But I can access it any time I want anyway FYI.



I said they wanted to contract out “ALL” jobs? Where did I say that and who am I?

BTW who are you for that matter? Are you anyone?



No one “ridiculed” you. That’s a past tense word. Myself and others ridicule you currently.

Your 40 Station line is extremely selective in what you seem to interpret.



Not sure what the hell you're talking about/ or which one of you is even talking anyway?

You don’t talk to any of the (UNION) Executive Negotiators. If you did you would at least know who some of them are.

Now go and enjoy your Sunday Sybil.

Not sure why you always pivot the discussion and go personal or name call but its really not important who I am.
I just referenced the Executive negotiation team official update in which they said that the company did offer all current work and was pleased. Of course Sito wanted that TAd without getting the 401k TAd. So the iam deal breaker washed out the scope offer. The company has continually stated that it wouldnt sign off on scope without tying it to the 401k and health care.

 

[WeAAsles]

its really not important who I am.

You’re 100% right with this comment because you aren’t anyone at all when it comes to Negotiations.

As a matter of fact you’re less important than 99% of the “Dues paying” Membership because they contribute more than just an agency fee and never gave up their Union Membership.

I just referenced the Executive negotiation team official update in which they said that the company did offer all current work and was pleased.

Yes you are correct but that offer came with a catch. You did read the second paragraph right?

“The Association Executive leadership met with American Airlines management this week to push through the tough Fleet Service Scope issues and proposals we have exchanged. Your committee was initially pleased when the Company’s Chief Negotiator offered to include protection for all of the fleet work currently performed at the 40 fleet service stations.

When the Association committee began to engage the offer, the Company negotiators abruptly reversed course, denied the offer they made and insisted that health care and wages be agreed to before they would agree to any further scope discussions.”

(Didn’t mention IAMPF or 401k here BTW)

Of course Sito wanted that TAd without getting the 401k TAd. So the iam deal breaker washed out the scope offer. The company has continually stated that it wouldnt sign off on scope without tying it to the 401k and health care.

Was it Sito who said this thing you claim? Or was it Alex, Mike, Gary, Sito, Tim and Tom? (The Association Executive Committee)

Besides that “Mr” Nelson I’d like some more information on that anyway? How much of that work is only protected for this Contract? Is that work actually REALLY protected? Meaning is it in writing? What about the “When and where so directed” language? Is that still in there? What about gaining new work or old work back?

(Don’t want an answer from you BTW because as I said in the first paragraph response)

 

[WeAAsles]

Alex Garcia
Mike Mays
Gary Peterson
Sito Pantoja
Tim Klima
Tom Reagan

(FYI)

 

[Buck]

i support that amp drive but i think they need to wait till these liars bring out a bs contract or wait a couple more years until the mx go hungry. The last offer will be the best as things will start being removed with the company bringing in industry low margins now.

The company didnt defer planes to put more on the table like weez suggested.

With the IAMPF taking another hit, The mechanics will do what they can to get away from the IAM/Association as soon as possible.

 

[Buck]

Alex Garcia
Mike Mays
Gary Peterson
Sito Pantoja
Tim Klima
Tom Reagan

(FYI)

Which ones are Fleet Service and which are Mechanic and Related.?

 

[WeAAsles]

With the IAMPF taking another hit, The mechanics will do what they can to get away from the IAM/Association as soon as possible.

“The Mechanics”? There you go thinking you speak for everyone again. BTW Buck serious question. On your AMP Website there is one picture of a bunch of guys. It looks like there are about 50 there.

They’re all Caucasian’s in their 50’s? Aren’t there any Blacks or Hispanics working there in TUL?

Which ones are Fleet Service and which are Mechanic and Related.?

Gary Peterson (AMT)
Sito Pantoja (AMT)
Tom Regan (AMT)
Alex Garcia (FSC)
Mike Mayes (FSC)
Tim Klima (PSA)

Now don’t forget some of these guys have been out of their original Class and Crafts for years not to mention whatever experiences they’ve gained in their roles since over the years.

On a side note. “Mr” Nelson complains all the time in case you haven’t noticed that the IAM has no FSC’s representing them on the Exec committee.

Looking forward to your return criticism.

 

[WeAAsles]

You see what I mean Buck. All you got in there is a bunch of 50 something year old White guys?

It’s like looking at one of those Republican photo ops on the Capital steps without the suits.

 

[Buck]

“The Mechanics”? There you go thinking you speak for everyone again. BTW Buck serious question. On your AMP Website there is one picture of a bunch of guys. It looks like there are about 50 there.

They’re all Caucasian’s in their 50’s? Aren’t there any Blacks or Hispanics working there in TUL?

Tom Regan (AMT)
Alex Garcia (FSC)
Mike Mayes (FSC)
Tim Klima (PSA)

Now don’t forget some of these guys have been out of their original Class and Crafts for years not to mention whatever experiences they’ve gained in their roles since over the years.

On a side note. “Mr” Nelson complains all the time in case you haven’t noticed that the IAM has no FSC’s representing them on the Exec committee.

Looking forward to your return criticism.

“The Mechanics”? There you go thinking you speak for everyone again. BTW Buck serious question. On your AMP Website there is one picture of a bunch of guys. It looks like there are about 50 there.

They’re all Caucasian’s in their 50’s? Aren’t there any Blacks or Hispanics working there in TUL?



Gary Peterson (AMT)
Sito Pantoja (AMT)
Tom Regan (AMT)
Alex Garcia (FSC)
Mike Mayes (FSC)
Tim Klima (PSA)

Now don’t forget some of these guys have been out of their original Class and Crafts for years not to mention whatever experiences they’ve gained in their roles since over the years.

On a side note. “Mr” Nelson complains all the time in case you haven’t noticed that the IAM has no FSC’s representing them on the Exec committee.

Looking forward to your return criticism.

The number was closer to 75. Would it surprise you that most of the Mechanics at the Tulsa Maintenance Base are 50+ yrs old and mostly Caucasians? Also, the average age is closer to 54-56 yrs old. Why did you even bring up Race? See how easy it is to bring out your true feelings of hate. Why did you call the African Americans, Black? We have people from all over the world working at the largest maintenance base in the system. Indians both from India and North America. Some from the Middle East, Women Mechanics, yes Licensed. There are Hispanics and African-Americans, one or two from Denmark since you asked, we have a few employees that have reIdentified.Do you hate them too? Tulsa is very diverse. There are a lot of mechanics from various places around the world.

 

[swamt]

I believe in democracy and informed consent. Moving into section 6, without a vote, is a breach of my views on the matter. From my perspective, I have a pretty cushy bid line which I may not be able to hold if we merge, so I don't mind kicking the can. I'm uncomfortable with the pension of course, but I've been having to put in my own money into the 401k just for balance. I won't have to do that with the company offer but then I'd have to pay $50 more for health insurance. I don't have any dependents and I pretty much travel every 2 weeks in casual living as I doubt I'll even retire anyways. I've told all of my coworkers for years that I love my job and retired when I filled out my application. However, the injustices caused by the union and the money lost by our members due to the union is a complete disaster. And I can not, nor will not, stand by watching these corporate whores like CB who make $150,000+ with 4 different retirement plans drag things into section 6 without a vote by members. This union, including CB has had big reservations about the masses voting on things. We didn't vote for this association, the association made sure none of us had rights when it crafted its constitution. Yes, ZERO RIGHTS and none of us are members of it. And I'm sick and tired of all of the madness so I resigned my membership in this miserable I'll Ask Management and will be mobilizing a dues objector campaign this week due to the thorough lack of democracy and consent. All CB will do is talk, that's all he does. He isn't even on the negotiation executive team and is only speaking 2nd hand.

I agree with the members having a vote before going to sec 6, however, when has this asso ever allowed these members to ever vote on anything?
Pretty sad if this whole time the NC has not seen an offer. Matter fact, if they have not, then why in the world are THEY being sent around to answer questions?? Wat too much secrecy with this asso if you ask me. No wonder the masses are in such confusion and no information. Pathetic Tim, just pathetic.

 

[swamt]

Amazing all this talk, speculation, assuming and guessing only because no solid information is coming from the Association. Only bits and pieces from one group and not the others. It's so dysfunctional that many can't even see it if it smacked them in the face. Section 6, last offer, IAM pension, IAM medical, 401k% and so on. Are we any closer to a JCBA than we were a year ago? It's like the Association is negotiating a contract for American, United, Southwest and Alaska Airlines all at once. The association with its greed can not fairly represent it's members because it's too many groups to focus on. The fiancial greed of the unions has simply screwed over the real meaning of a union and negotiations.

I would say no to the question of, are we closer to a JCBA? The reason being is because, CB himself has come on here and said the ask in scope has increased quite large for fleet, but was smaller in size for mtc. Just because time has moved on does not mean you guys are any closer. AA is using the exact same stall tactics as SWA used on us, the very same. With them two included in the A4A group, they do indeed share everything about contract talks with each other.

 

[swamt]

The number was closer to 75. Would it surprise you that most of the Mechanics at the Tulsa Maintenance Base are 50+ yrs old and mostly Caucasians? Also, the average age is closer to 54-56 yrs old. Why did you even bring up Race? See how easy it is to bring out your true feelings of hate. Why did you call the African Americans, Black? We have people from all over the world working at the largest maintenance base in the system. Indians both from India and North America. Some from the Middle East, Women Mechanics, yes Licensed. There are Hispanics and African-Americans, one or two from Denmark since you asked, we have a few employees that have reIdentified.Do you hate them too? Tulsa is very diverse. There are a lot of mechanics from various places around the world.

How in the world did he bring up race about nego's? Now that is just the lowest. I gotta ask you (as I have peeps on ignore) who was that that broke the race issue out??? I really don't wanna guess because I actually could see all I have on ignore doing such a despicable thing.

 

[WeAAsles]

The number was closer to 75. Would it surprise you that most of the Mechanics at the Tulsa Maintenance Base are 50+ yrs old and mostly Caucasians? Also, the average age is closer to 54-56 yrs old. Why did you even bring up Race? See how easy it is to bring out your true feelings of hate. Why did you call the African Americans, Black? We have people from all over the world working at the largest maintenance base in the system. Indians both from India and North America. Some from the Middle East, Women Mechanics, yes Licensed. There are Hispanics and African-Americans, one or two from Denmark since you asked, we have a few employees that have reIdentified.Do you hate them too? Tulsa is very diverse. There are a lot of mechanics from various places around the world.

Buck you need to overdose on some Ritilin as you’re a little hyperactive there. It’s easier to quantify 4 demographics than hundreds if you haven’t figured that out. Would you like me to go through South American Country A to Z, Puerto Rico and Spain to converse about Spanish individuals?

Anyway I digress and aren’t interested in joining your little paranoia fest. Who Nelly, Cowboy needs to draw back on those reigns.

No not surprised at all that the majority are over 50 and “WHITE”. What does surprise me is that I see NO other representation of demographics at your meeting there?

Since you admittedly excluded IAM from your drive I’m just curious if you’re excluding others as well? It really is just a passing curiosity on my part and nothing more?

BTW there’s no Women there either? That’s one hell of a Boys Club you got going on there.

 

[1AA]

Which ones are Fleet Service and which are Mechanic and Related.?

Does it make a difference? All groups must have a T/A before we can all vote.
We negotiatiate separate and then must wait for all other groups to finish. 30 + years later in the TWU and we are still in a fleet service union no matter how you sugar coat it.