American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[Tim Nelson]

On the rungs of top Leadership yes. In regards to the General Membership very much far from it.

yea but top leadership appointments is where the authority lies.

 

[WeAAsles]

yea but top leadership appointments is where the authority lies.

I’m assuming you mean that Elected Leadership has the authority to appoint some positions? Depends on how your Union is structured who ultimately has that power?

In the TWU most senior appointments have to go through the International Executive Committee for concensus.

Although “Mr” Nelson I’m not sure what your query has to do with the picture I posted which are prospective participants?

I do notice that your postings though usually entail a complete focus on the IAM as if they are still the only party that exists in the TWU/IAM Association. That’s of course besides your Agenda to slander that Union as much as possible pretty much daily.

I’m sorry but no, IAM Rep Sito Pantoja is NOT the sole authority as far as our AA Negotiations go for all the Association represented groups.

 

[swamt]

Does it make a difference? All groups must have a T/A before we can all vote.
We negotiatiate separate and then must wait for all other groups to finish. 30 + years later in the TWU and we are still in a fleet service union no matter how you sugar coat it.

Which is the exact reason we put the cleaners on their very own contract when we went AMFA here. It really was the best move over all for both groups. This way cleaners are voting on cleaners issues and mechanics are voting on mechanic issues and nobody waits on any other group to get thru nego's. Which is what you guys need to do when you get AMP in. Put all other related groups in their own contracts with their own contract nego's leading their side thru nego's. Good luck with AMP drive...

 

[swamt]

He asked me the Racial Mix of the Mechanics and I did use nor did here the term you used. Not more than a month ago, a couple of mechanics went to the Tool Room and the Stock Clerks gave them what they asked for, then the mechanics were leaving and one of them said something to the effect You boys have a nice weekend, with no intent for it to become a racial slur, but they were turned in to HR. After the investigation, no one lost their job as HR decided there was no malice. This type of environment is difficult to live under.

Well, that's just sad. It seems now days the knee jerk reaction of pulling the racist card is just so bad now that the intent is too hard to believe. You know, the boy that cried wolf too many times?? Same thing. Using it too much and of course at the wrong times should get the other party involved in trouble for doing so.

 

[swamt]

I try to use their name. and why does anyone need a label?

Exactly. Why the labels?

 

[Buck]

Buck you misconstrued. I didn’t attack you, I asked you basically what you thought about it? Your employer will do nothing to you and you have nothing to fear on the question. Besides the fact you never even said your real name on here anyway.

I think the picture looks bad for trying to lure more people to sign cards actually. Besides the demographics it also looks like a bunch of guys who aren’t long for this Company soon too.

Anyway let’s drop the conversation if you want cause obviously it’s one that makes you way too nervous to take up anyway.

You must not work for the same employer that I do.
The picture looks bad to you because you went to the gutter and nearly set me up for an investigation over race relations. My real name? the Credit Union when they held my car title used Buck and after 30+ years at the same station, you don't think HR could find out who I am. Dropping sounds good to me.

 

[B737 driver]

No I think even under our circumstances of having to build all these contracts basically from scratch, 3 years is completely asinine. Ours are all basically down to Scope now. Scope is the # 1 important focus.

AMFA at SWA didn’t have to build a contract from scratch. They were stalled by Management who never intended to improve anything more for them than their wages. And that’s ALL their current TA does and hilariously even after all these years it looks like they still intend to vote that down?

And no 5 to 6 years should not be the new norm but of course you could be right. Hope you’re not of course.



I ageee with everything you wrote here. And yet you have full on Morons in your group who think Fleet Service people are the root of all their problems.

Has AMFA (AMT and Related only Union) been able to solve the problem you have? NO.

6 years and they gained no ground on their Scope whatsoever. Nothing at all.

We actually gained on new maintenance stations that it has to stay open for 3-years, and if they close it. They have to give you a years notice , and $25,000 moving expenses. So when we reject this, not me I voted for it. We will be fighting over 6 % the life of the contract. Do we get to year 7, before we vote again who knows? But when the company finally said you can have your scope. But we were supposed to have SWA on ETOPS , false rumors. Also Brett who used to work for American Airlines and now is AMFA president claimed in an Email you guys can go to AMFA site and read it, that American Airlines mechanics were offered a pay scale a top out starting at $55 an hour.

 

[WeAAsles]

You must not work for the same employer that I do.
The picture looks bad to you because you went to the gutter and nearly set me up for an investigation over race relations. My real name? the Credit Union when they held my car title used Buck and after 30+ years at the same station, you don't think HR could find out who I am. Dropping sounds good to me.

If you’re going to continue to make “FALSE ACCUSATIONS” about my intentions then YOU are the one continuing to propel the conversation.

Again that picture on the AMP website is the one that shows ALL Caucasians. How that implies that YOU HATE or even have any issues YOURSELF with labeled minorities is beyond me.

Again YOU are being EXTREMELY paranoid. But to be nice because sometimes your jokes do make me chuckle I’m again going to try to DROP IT.

Now you may want to get your OAL friend (who has me on ignore, lmao) to stop trying to antagonize the topic and me as well as that just encourages me to continue this uncomfortable discussion.

 

[B737 driver]

Everyone that is tired of B737Driver bringing his contract woes over here to the American board hit Agree.

My goal is to let them know what AMFA really is , full of empty promises. I didn't invite your comments. They can see for themselves, what they would have gotten themselves into.I could be off the Forums for 6 months. Come back SWA would still not have a contract. Swamt would be giving American guys advice for their card drive, and blaming the Association and ramp on their problems.

 

[WeAAsles]

Everyone that is tired of B737Driver bringing his contract woes over here to the American board hit Agree.

You see THIS is an agenda. Why didn’t you also say driver AND swamt?

Maybe everyone who works for OTHER AIRLINES should butt out of each other’s business but we all know that’s not going to happen because that would mean we have to be “courteous” to each other.

God forbid.

 

[Buck]

My goal is to let them know what AMFA really is , full of empty promises. I didn't invite your comments. They can see for themselves, what they would have gotten themselves into.

Ok fair enough, however your statement concerning empty promises? I would rather have AMFA or even AMP full of empty promises than any Industrial Union that plays the mechanics as a bargaining chip to get a better deal for Non-Mechanic and related.

 

[B737 driver]

Ok fair enough, however your statement concerning empty promises? I would rather have AMFA or even AMP full of empty promises than any Industrial Union that plays the mechanics as a bargaining chip to get a better deal for Non-Mechanic and related.

True Buck, however if you guys had AMFA when you were bankrupt, American Airlines management would have decimated your contract, probably as bad as Northwest management did theirs. At least with the TWU even if you hated it, you had the rampers with you, so believe it or not you could help each other out regardless if you believe that or not . If you guys had gone AMFA and been in bankruptcy the other unions would have hung you guys out to dry and the Vultures would have picked your dead carcasses!

 

[Tim Nelson]

I’m assuming you mean that Elected Leadership has the authority to appoint some positions? Depends on how your Union is structured who ultimately has that power?

In the TWU most senior appointments have to go through the International Executive Committee for concensus.

Although “Mr” Nelson I’m not sure what your query has to do with the picture I posted which are prospective participants?

I do notice that your postings though usually entail a complete focus on the IAM as if they are still the only party that exists in the TWU/IAM Association. That’s of course besides your Agenda to slander that Union as much as possible pretty much daily.

I’m sorry but no, IAM Rep Sito Pantoja is NOT the sole authority as far as our AA Negotiations go for all the Association represented groups.

look, i dont care if they are women, men, color etc. Your guy Alex is up Sitos. Peterson has lost it and went rogue with his ridiculous conspiracy from the blue fairy.
The iam pension has been plugging things up. The company is done now. Charlie browns monotone working class hero videos wont do anything.

 

[WeAAsles]

Ok fair enough, however your statement concerning empty promises? I would rather have AMFA or even AMP full of empty promises than any Industrial Union that plays the mechanics as a bargaining chip to get a better deal for Non-Mechanic and related.

I don’t see the TWU represented groups (FA’s and Ramp) getting a worse deal because AMFA exists in that house?

But can you explain to me how it would be the Mechanics and Related who would be held as a bargaining chip against the Ramp Agents?

The Company wants to whack ALL of our Scope to some degree but I still think they’re looking to hit yours the hardest?

 

[Tim Nelson]

I don’t see the TWU represented groups (FA’s and Ramp) getting a worse deal because AMFA exists in that house?

But can you explain to me how it would be the Mechanics and Related who would be held as a bargaining chip against the Ramp Agents?

The Company wants to whack ALL of our Scope to some degree but I still think they’re looking to hit yours the hardest?

who says? The company offered ALL scope at all 40 stations including lavs. The executive union bosses said they were pleased. Only when sito reneged on the iampfdid the offer get pulled.
So, that being the case, the only exit plan will be to take the offer now or wait 2 years and see what happens. Maybe we will be able to take the same deal in 2 years or maybe less. Logically, im guessing they will continue stalling so the iam pension doesnt collapse quicker.