American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[B737 driver]

4 or 6 years when your in your mid late 50s like a lot of us are is forever

Tell me about it. I hope if you guys go 6 years like we did, you are smart enough to take the money, unlike us, good luck US 78

 

[Tim Nelson]

Alright well SWA offered Retro checks to those radicals worth over $40,000 to some and they’re still planning on saying no supposedly Al.

I don’t control any of this stuff Al, sorry.



And you gave away your right to vote so none of this really concerns you anyway. The rest of us are driving and you’re going to go wherever we decide to take you.



Again I don’t control any of this stuff Al, sorry.

BTW all Airline Management now has the same History since SWA Management decided to join the pack of the universally hated.

They’re ALL the same.

it matters to everyone. Only the lus vote doesnt matter since the twu will vote it in. Well, any ta wont matter, actually. 95% yes. People could care less about the unborn.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tell me about it. I hope if you guys go 6 years like we did, you are smart enough to take the money, unlike us, good luck US 78

weezles wants us to go years and give up concessions and losses as we wait. Most likely, the union bosses will even settle for less. Possibly even be first to give up in bankruptcy if petersons fairy tale comes true that isom is trying to destroy this company.

 

[ALUS78]

weezles wants us to go years and give up concessions and losses as we wait. Most likely, the union bosses will even settle for less. Possibly even be first to give up in bankruptcy if petersons fairy tale comes true that isom is trying to destroy this company.

If the company wanted really needed a contract they have an ace up their sleeves in a couple of TWU stations and a lot of IAM 175 work. I looked at the unions hand not to good, go fish

 

[Tim Nelson]

If the company wanted really needed a contract they have an ace up their sleeves in a couple of TWU stations and a lot of IAM 175 work. I looked at the unions hand not to good, go fish

if the company wanted a quick contract they would announce a layoff of 20% lus and shut down 4 twu stations.

 

[WeAAsles]

if the company wanted a quick contract they would announce a layoff of 20% lus and shut down 4 twu stations.

“Mr” Nelson you can rattle on and on with your inane ramblings but it doesn’t matter for you again anyway as you have given up your right to vote and therefore frankly your right to even advocate.

You’re simply along for the ride and seriously need to sit back and relax Sir.

BTW I think only 1 Station is a possibility. But of course you’re going to ignore that anyway.

 

[ALUS78]

“Mr” Nelson you can rattle on and on with your inane ramblings but it doesn’t matter for you again anyway as you have given up your right to vote and therefore frankly your right to even advocate.

You’re simply along for the ride and seriously need to sit back and relax Sir.

BTW I think only 1 Station is a possibility. But of course you’re going to ignore that anyway.

A lot of 175 work Weez a lot its not all about TWU

 

[conehead777]

I agree with the members having a vote before going to sec 6, however, when has this asso ever allowed these members to ever vote on anything?
Pretty sad if this whole time the NC has not seen an offer. Matter fact, if they have not, then why in the world are THEY being sent around to answer questions?? Wat too much secrecy with this asso if you ask me. No wonder the masses are in such confusion and no information. Pathetic Tim, just pathetic.

Unfortunately the twu/iam have a long history of the international taking over for there on gain not the members. The locals are nc have no say. Look at the association constitution both international presidents are designated have to both sign it. Look no further Boeing when they voted no on the contract to freeze there pension. The locals supported the members but sito got another vote it passed so what the international wants they get. Plus us on the twu do not get a say who international vp is. Local 100 in nw York have the most members. So they get the say. I’m surprised the people sito screwed hasn’t had a card drive and got rid of him and the iam. At Boeing I hope us amts can say that soon either amp are AMFA . Are any union we run not afl/cio

 

[WeAAsles]

If the company wanted really needed a contract they have an ace up their sleeves in a couple of TWU stations and a lot of IAM 175 work. I looked at the unions hand not to good, go fish

Right Al. And you don’t give a rats ass about that work anyway.

A lot of 175 work Weez a lot its not all about TWU

Right Al. And you don’t give a rats ass about that work anyway.

Are you enjoying this daily wash, rinse, repeat infinite conversation we’re having here?

The only thing that saves us from the extreme boredom of this stuff is when this guy above chimes in. His absolute level of cluelessness is astounding. Please make fun of him. I really miss that old Al that was actually very funny.

 

[conehead777]

My goal is to let them know what AMFA really is , full of empty promises. I didn't invite your comments. They can see for themselves, what they would have gotten themselves into.I could be off the Forums for 6 months. Come back SWA would still not have a contract. Swamt would be giving American guys advice for their card drive, and blaming the Association and ramp on their problems.

I wish we at aa had AMFA now. If we still were negotiating at least we would know what the union offered the company what the company offered to the union. And know what was discussed. We are in th blind the videos put out want tell me what I want to know and that is what’s actually being discussed. And if there were no mediation we would have observers no more back door deals. And Incase the nc are officer did wrong we can recall them and elect others that’s something we can’t do at the twu. You hate AMFA like I hate the twu so we will never agree

 

[Buck]

True Buck, however if you guys had AMFA when you were bankrupt, American Airlines management would have decimated your contract, probably as bad as Northwest management did theirs. At least with the TWU even if you hated it, you had the rampers with you, so believe it or not you could help each other out regardless if you believe that or not . If you guys had gone AMFA and been in bankruptcy the other unions would have hung you guys out to dry and the Vultures would have picked your dead carcasses!

I have had TWU for over 30 years and this using the mechanics as Fish Bait for Fleet Service has to stop. The only thing that has kept the TWU in the DUES payer service has been Fear and those that will not get up to lift a finger to help themselves, but they complain and they do have a right to be that way. The employees at American that are finally beginning to understand. One of the items that they do not like is the fact that this Association is there only to control the membership in an attempt to save the IAMPF. The Rampers Crew Chief pay has been higher than the mechanics and so on. If you read the Contract book and the Letters of Agreement it is obvious where the mechanics are and yes the TWU has abused the Line mechanics for many years and the Tulsa mechanics had no say as they were "out of order" at various meetings.

 

[conehead777]

True Buck, however if you guys had AMFA when you were bankrupt, American Airlines management would have decimated your contract, probably as bad as Northwest management did theirs. At least with the TWU even if you hated it, you had the rampers with you, so believe it or not you could help each other out regardless if you believe that or not . If you guys had gone AMFA and been in bankruptcy the other unions would have hung you guys out to dry and the Vultures would have picked your dead carcasses!

Sorry dude the pilots voted down there bk contract and the judge told the pilots union and company to work on it because of that the pilots got a better. Deal aa was a sham bk. The judge is going to look at other contracts and at that time until the 16 pay increase we were the lowest paid mechanics. I doubt he could hurt us as much as the twu did. That’s why I voted no on the bk contract but I guess others were afraid of that plus the twu made people afraid at least with AMFA we would had a union fight for us and not use scare tactics. And I bet they would have got snap back like the pilots did.

 

[WeAAsles]

I wish we at aa had AMFA now. If we still were negotiating at least we would know what the union offered the company what the company offered to the union. And know what was discussed. We are in th blind the videos put out want tell me what I want to know and that is what’s actually being discussed. And if there were no mediation we would have observers no more back door deals. And Incase the nc are officer did wrong we can recall them and elect others that’s something we can’t do at the twu. You hate AMFA like I hate the twu so we will never agree

Oh Brother.

I have had TWU for over 30 years and this using the mechanics as Fish Bait for Fleet Service has to stop. The only thing that has kept the TWU in the DUES payer service is been Fear and those that will not get up to lift a finger to help themselves, but they complain and they do have a right to be that way. The employees at American that are finally beginning to understand. One of the items that they do not like is the fact that this Association is there only to control the membership in an attempt to save the IAMPF. The Rampers Crew Chief pay has been higher than the mechanics and so on. If you read the Contract book and the Letters of Agreement it is obvious where the mechanics are and yes the TWU has abused the Line mechanics for many years and the Tulsa mechanics had no say as they were "out of order" at various meetings.

FSC $65,000
AMT $105,000

Give me a break man. Boo Hoo.

Sorry dude the pilots voted down there bk contract and the judge told the pilots union and company to work on it because of that the pilots got a better. Deal aa was a sham bk. The judge is going to look at other contracts and at that time until the 16 pay increase we were the lowest paid mechanics. I doubt he could hurt us as much as the twu did. That’s why I voted no on the bk contract but I guess others were afraid of that plus the twu made people afraid at least with AMFA we would had a union fight for us and not use scare tactics. And I bet they would have got snap back like the pilots did.

Oh Brother BIG TIME.

 

[WeAAsles]

I have had TWU for over 30 years and this using the mechanics as Fish Bait for Fleet Service has to stop. The only thing that has kept the TWU in the DUES payer service is been Fear and those that will not get up to lift a finger to help themselves, but they complain and they do have a right to be that way. The employees at American that are finally beginning to understand. One of the items that they do not like is the fact that this Association is there only to control the membership in an attempt to save the IAMPF. The Rampers Crew Chief pay has been higher than the mechanics and so on. If you read the Contract book and the Letters of Agreement it is obvious where the mechanics are and yes the TWU has abused the Line mechanics for many years and the Tulsa mechanics had no say as they were "out of order" at various meetings.

BTW Buck you AMT’s top out in 9 years where FSC top out in 12 years.

And you used to top out in 5 years where FSC took 9 years.

So stick that in your pipe and smoke it.

 

[charlie Brown]

A lot of 175 work Weez a lot its not all about TWU

Ok, let’s clarify these thousands of jobs lost by this 175 work.
First there would be no job loss in clt. We work very few 175,s compared to what we did originally. Most routes have been replaced by 319,320 aircraft. So no job loss there. Both DC and Lga currently has “ No displacement protection “ in place. Nobody that was on the 2014 seniority list can be dicplaced. There has been around 155 agents hired since 14 in these two stations. So for the sake of argument, let’s round it to 200. So unless Phl is going to lose 1200 + jobs, ( now way ) then we don’t get close to 20% or thousands of jobs because of losing 175 work. Not that losing a few hundred jobs is a good thing, but let’s talk real numbers here.