American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[WeAAsles]

The company is fairly comfortable with the TWU contract it has right now. It's a cost saver for the company. It wants to continue Labor peace. The only one threatening anything is Mr Baskett and Mr Peterson who both wanted us to "Attack" the company, based on Gary's Blue Fairy video.

Well, NOTHING happened because people don't listen to Gary and they like their jobs. There may have been some collateral damage from a couple Peterson people but nothing significant for it to be more than a fart in the wind. But, if there ever was anything significant, then the company would have to make sure Mr Peterson knew it wasn't a pushover and introduce the Association to massive IAM Layoffs.

Although Mr Baskett has an agenda and says "Only about 200 "Tops" could be affected, the number swells to over 2,000 if the company took all of the "When and Where directed" work away.

PHL: Half of PHL. Pretty much one whole concourse. 850 jobs
CLT: Minimal but some will be laid off if this case happened
DCA: Cross Utilization TA protects those hired prior to the Cross U agreement. However, between 250-300 are not protected if the 175 and other work goes.
BOS: Cross Utilization TA protects those hired prior to the Cross U agreement. However, about 150 aren't protected so if the company wanted to whack that work there would be plenty that would fall because of Mr Baskett.
PIT: some work there, not sure how much.
FLL: Probably half of the staff could be let go. We do some contracted outfits, overnight cleaning, towing aircraft, etc.
Even in stations like ORD and MIA. In ORD, out of 75 IAM members, about 15 of them aren't protected. I imagine some in LUS MIA aren't protected. We do some 'when and where' directed as well.
BWI? RDU? and west stations? I think we do towing in RDU and cleaning. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if they could just hire scrub in a lot of these stations if they wanted to.

Plus when you look at our newest seniority roster, over 1,000 (doesn't matter which station) aren't protected with the cross utilization at all based on seniority, many more based on station).

Who holds all of the cards? Uncle Jerry does. The union had the Ace of Spades and threw it down for 20 pieces of silver. Game Over!

Again “Mr” Nelson do you CURRENTLY “””OWN””” any of this work? Could the Company have outsourced that work years ago if they had wanted?

How long do you think it takes to get a new Company up and running to perform all of that work? Do you think a Company will sign up only to have their Contract not be renewed when a future deal is made with the Association?

All of these workers you talk about will have recall rights Tim.

BTW if you are a behind the scenes Spokesman for Jerry Glass and the F&H Team then give them this message. DO IT. Pull the trigger TOMORROW on all of the work that is NOT owned by the TWU/IAM Association.

I’m sure the NMB Mediator would call that “Good Faith” Bargaining and smile favorably on the move.

You’re nothing but a fear peddler Nelson. A real class act.

 

[Rogallo]

The union had the Ace of Spades and threw it down for 20 pieces of silver. Game Over!

Exactly!

And now they are going to recoup that silver.

 

[WeAAsles]

Another one. And he’s Facilities Maintenance BTW.

 

[AANOTOK]

Spot on Kev, Spot on!

 

[Tim Nelson]

In FLEET SERVICE since you don’t like to talk about AMT and Related issues do you currently in your Standalone CBA “””OWN””” this E175 work? Or is this work currently being “””LOANED””” to you by the Airline Management team?

1st show me the language in your CBA that states you own this work today but you will not own this work starting tomorrow?

2nd how many E175 “Airplanes” are there flying in the system and where are they mostly concentrated?

P.S. Your desperation to sign a deal, any deal is extremely palpable. And if it’s a bad deal you will ABSOLUTELY use it to your favor against the IAM. No doubts about that.

We don't own any of that work. Period. The company doesn't even have to ask us. We don't even have any rights to first refusal. Not sure what you don't understand. In PHL, it's pretty much one whole concourse. You ought to leave MIA once in a while.

The work is substantial. At least 2,000 jobs when you consider all of the other 'when and where' directed. Hell, just go 35 miles up the road and observe FLL. We have a late night crew that cleans all of the planes. We have moving crews that move the aircraft. Etc. Lavs, etc. etc., etc. All could be given to Delta Global tomorrow.

Has nothing to do with me wanting a contract, just pointing out all of the leverage that the company has. As far as AMT, I'm not sure about that craft.

I know that the company is using its leverage on fleet, so AMT doesn't really matter, does it? And, from what I heard, the AMT TWU contract is a bankrupt contract. What leverage does AMT have if the company is sitting on a gold mine bankrupt contract?

 

[Tim Nelson]

Again “Mr” Nelson do you CURRENTLY “””OWN””” any of this work? Could the Company have outsourced that work years ago if they had wanted?

How long do you think it takes to get a new Company up and running to perform all of that work? Do you think a Company will sign up only to have their Contract not be renewed when a future deal is made with the Association?

All of these workers you talk about will have recall rights Tim.

BTW if you are a behind the scenes Spokesman for Jerry Glass and the F&H Team then give them this message. DO IT. Pull the trigger TOMORROW on all of the work that is NOT owned by the TWU/IAM Association.

I’m sure the NMB Mediator would call that “Good Faith” Bargaining and smile favorably on the move.

You’re nothing but a fear peddler Nelson. A real class act.

Why would Uncle Jerry pull the trigger when they pretty much have everything they want already? Uncle Jerry has bullets in the gun and hasn't laid down his Aces like the union did when they agreed to cross utilization for 20 pieces of silver. Other unions were smarter and didn't open up just one freakn article for cross utilization. This merger is now "Seamless". Game Over! You lose!

 

[Tim Nelson]

Only if the ransom is paid. Personally if I was a Negotiator I would shut the entire thing down and go to Section 6 and ask for NMB Mediation if the Company even threatened the move.

BTW they do not have full cross utilization and the most expensive place that hurts the Company is in Maintenance.

Besides Al unless a move comes completely out of left field our Executive Negotiators are not going to accept a deal for one group leaving the other to fend for itself. (No AMT and Related Scope is not done yet either)

You need to carefully review the NMB Manual, sir.

That's not how it works. You don't file section 6 then ask for a mediator and get mediation. No sir. A mediator almost never comes in talks unless both parties request so. But after a couple years, if there doesn't appear to be progress (only has to be itsy bitsy progress btw), a mediator may be assigned. Then she/he has a busy schedule and maybe you can meet once a month. Chances are that the company would NOT recognize all of the TA's to date. Everything would be scrapped and new proposals would be made. Note: to date, the company doesn't have to negotiate fairly. Only in section 6. And "Fairly" means basically just showing up.

So what next, genius? I'm interested in hearing your next move? Hopefully, after about 3 years, we can see what happens and if the economy has expanded with a growing company, or if the economy has cooled. If the company continues to expand and grow then maybe you can sign the same deal you have today. If the economy cools, then what else are you going to give up? Never mind costing us employees millions of dollars due to your working class hero crap.

Look, I want a great contract, but you guys failed us. You knuckleheads pissed all of your leverage away with making this merger "Seamless" with giving the company cross utilization. I guess Peterson can try again for a 'attack" on the company, and I guess it will fail again. But if it sticks, then the company will just sue your tin foil conspiracy theorist boy. I wouldn't be surprised if the 3 time management flunkie Peterson is trying to cut his own management deal or if he actually is 'on the take' right now.

 

[WeAAsles]

Spot on Kev, Spot on!

Poking me AGAIN I see.

We don't own any of that work. Period. The company doesn't even have to ask us.

This is ALL I asked you for. Thank you “Mr” Nelson.

Exactly!

And now they are going to recoup that silver.

So you want to blame someone for getting us all a lot more money now for 2 years over what we would have had?

Ok. “Transparency” Prior to the announcement of raises there was a spectacularly large number of planes being put out of service or delayed. An extremely over the top large number prior to all the JCBA issues being anywhere near resolved.

If you’re looking for someone to blame for YOUR 401k having a lot more money in it than it could have.

 

[WeAAsles]

You need to carefully review the NMB Manual, sir.

That's not how it works. You don't file section 6 then ask for a mediator and get mediation. No sir. A mediator almost never comes in talks unless both parties request so. But after a couple years, if there doesn't appear to be progress (only has to be itsy bitsy progress btw), a mediator may be assigned. Then she/he has a busy schedule and maybe you can meet once a month. Chances are that the company would NOT recognize all of the TA's to date. Everything would be scrapped and new proposals would be made. Note: to date, the company doesn't have to negotiate fairly. Only in section 6. And "Fairly" means basically just showing up.

So what next, genius? I'm interested in hearing your next move? Hopefully, after about 3 years, we can see what happens and if the economy has expanded with a growing company, or if the economy has cooled. If the company continues to expand and grow then maybe you can sign the same deal you have today. If the economy cools, then what else are you going to give up? Never mind costing us employees millions of dollars due to your working class hero crap.

Look, I want a great contract, but you guys failed us. You knuckleheads pissed all of your leverage away with making this merger "Seamless" with giving the company cross utilization. I guess Peterson can try again for a 'attack" on the company, and I guess it will fail again. But if it sticks, then the company will just sue your tin foil conspiracy theorist boy. I wouldn't be surprised if the 3 time management flunkie Peterson is trying to cut his own management deal or if he actually is 'on the take' right now.

Please contact your nearest and most convienent EAP Representative before you’re forced into having a Mental evaluation.

 

[cltrat]

Hasn’t two weeks come to pass? I’m pretty sure it has,.........looks like we were being bullchitted......yet again

 

[Tim Nelson]

Please contact your nearest and most convienent EAP Representative before you’re forced into having a Mental evaluation.

Maybe I'll try the Flying Spaghetti Monster like Mr Peterson did.

BTW, I totally disagree with your choice that if you had your way, you would just send it into section 6. You guys simply don't respect the consent of the employees. Prior to section 6, any last best offer should be submitted for a vote, to be fair. Informed consent is the way to go. Going into section 6 without full disclosures would be a great loss of money for the members and there would be no exit plan other than to see what happens in a few years. If the economy continues to expand then maybe the same contract gets offered, if it cools like all of the anti trump peeps say, then what are you going to give up?

 

[Rogallo]

IGM!

 

[swamt]

Dave: “Man, this board has gone south.”

Also Dave:

And your just now noticing this? Really?? It's been south for a long time now and getting worst.

 

[swamt]

Ok, let’s clarify these thousands of jobs lost by this 175 work.
First there would be no job loss in clt. We work very few 175,s compared to what we did originally. Most routes have been replaced by 319,320 aircraft. So no job loss there. Both DC and Lga currently has “ No displacement protection “ in place. Nobody that was on the 2014 seniority list can be dicplaced. There has been around 155 agents hired since 14 in these two stations. So for the sake of argument, let’s round it to 200. So unless Phl is going to lose 1200 + jobs, ( now way ) then we don’t get close to 20% or thousands of jobs because of losing 175 work. Not that losing a few hundred jobs is a good thing, but let’s talk real numbers here.

Typical asso (TWU mainly) move. Make them think the numbers are in the thousands that will get riffed or layed off, then end up "agreeing" with the company on hundreds, then the union celebrates on allowing hundreds instead of thousands when it was the hundreds all the time and a scam agreement between the company and union to make it look like there was this big, big fight and they settled on hundreds. TWU has been doing it for the last 30 years plus. Don't fall for it anymore guys. Typical industrial union play book. Now you know why the company loves this asso forced upon you guys...

 

[swamt]

Hasn’t two weeks come to pass? I’m pretty sure it has,.........looks like we were being bullchitted......yet again

I must agree with rat here Tim. Where's that T/A or even the AIP you promised in 2 weeks? What happened?? Dude you guys won't have anything this year.