American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[WeAAsles]

Maybe I'll try the Flying Spaghetti Monster like Mr Peterson did.

BTW, I totally disagree with your choice that if you had your way, you would just send it into section 6. You guys simply don't respect the consent of the employees. Prior to section 6, any last best offer should be submitted for a vote, to be fair. Informed consent is the way to go. Going into section 6 without full disclosures would be a great loss of money for the members and there would be no exit plan other than to see what happens in a few years. If the economy continues to expand then maybe the same contract gets offered, if it cools like all of the anti trump peeps say, then what are you going to give up?

You certainly like to claim “I” (And others) said many things never said. Very insulting behavior on the part of a co worker towards other co workers.

Anyway FYI you’re getting attention again today. And we all know how much you love attention.

 

[WeAAsles]

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[ALUS78]

Al let me get this straight. What do you think our Negotiators should do if the Company Negotiators threatened them with the scenario of taking away jobs and work because they won’t agree to deals that do away with jobs and work in the future anyway?

Is this 175 work in your Contract, work that you own right now? Not meaning work that you do but work that you own that can’t be taken away any time the Company wants anyway?

Weez what I want is for the union to get the best deal for It's members not what is best for the union or pension fund.And you're going to say whats best for the union is best for It's members I say they don't go hand in hand

 

[ALUS78]

The company is fairly comfortable with the TWU contract it has right now. It's a cost saver for the company. It wants to continue Labor peace. The only one threatening anything is Mr Baskett and Mr Peterson who both wanted us to "Attack" the company, based on Gary's Blue Fairy video.

Well, NOTHING happened because people don't listen to Gary and they like their jobs. There may have been some collateral damage from a couple Peterson people but nothing significant for it to be more than a fart in the wind. But, if there ever was anything significant, then the company would have to make sure Mr Peterson knew it wasn't a pushover and introduce the Association to massive IAM Layoffs.

Although Mr Baskett has an agenda and says "Only about 200 "Tops" could be affected, the number swells to over 2,000 if the company took all of the "When and Where directed" work away.

PHL: Half of PHL. Pretty much one whole concourse. 850 jobs
CLT: Minimal but some will be laid off if this case happened
DCA: Cross Utilization TA protects those hired prior to the Cross U agreement. However, between 250-300 are not protected if the 175 and other work goes.
BOS: Cross Utilization TA protects those hired prior to the Cross U agreement. However, about 150 aren't protected so if the company wanted to whack that work there would be plenty that would fall because of Mr Baskett.
PIT: some work there, not sure how much.
FLL: Probably half of the staff could be let go. We do some contracted outfits, overnight cleaning, towing aircraft, etc.
Even in stations like ORD and MIA. In ORD, out of 75 IAM members, about 15 of them aren't protected. I imagine some in LUS MIA aren't protected. We do some 'when and where' directed as well.
BWI? RDU? and west stations? I think we do towing in RDU and cleaning. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if they could just hire scrub in a lot of these stations if they wanted to.

Plus when you look at our newest seniority roster, over 1,000 (doesn't matter which station) aren't protected with the cross utilization at all based on seniority, many more based on station).

Who holds all of the cards? Uncle Jerry does. The union had the Ace of Spades and threw it down for 20 pieces of silver. Game Over!

LGA?

 

[Tim Nelson]

You certainly like to claim “I” (And others) said many things never said. Very insulting behavior on the part of a co worker towards other co workers.

Anyway FYI you’re getting attention again today. And we all know how much you love attention.

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One always gets attention when one stands up. What's so unusual about that?

Also, I do upset the union pollyannas but I haven't the time for their madness and retardedness. Morons.
That said, if someone wants to support this moronic association then I guess nobody can stop them, but this association better allow a vote prior to any possible section 6 filing.

And I'm going to really upset the union pollyannas when I do my membership resignation video. Sorry Weezles but I just don't think this association is worth one penny until it at least respects the members voice. Tossing in cross utilization for 20 pieces of silver without getting a JCBA blew all leverage. Sorry.

 

[Tim Nelson]

LGA?

Saw the seniority roster, many in LGA not protected. Obviously, you guys are doing a lot of work that is not in your scope.

 

[WeAAsles]

Weez what I want is for the union to get the best deal for It's members not what is best for the union or pension fund.And you're going to say whats best for the union is best for It's members I say they don't go hand in hand

Ok Al. Perhaps sometimes those in leadership positions in a Union do lean things more heavily on protecting themselves over representing their Membership. But that sounds to me like Corporate America too doesn’t it?

Now if you’re someone who takes a party line that all Unions are rotten to the core and are the enemy (But the Corporation loves you) you’re never going to be objective about anything they do anyway. Unfortunately Al you do weigh pretty heavily in that camp.

BTW Al maybe you should trust them at least just a little bit that they are trying to get us the best deal possible?

 

[ALUS78]

Ok Al. Perhaps sometimes those in leadership positions in a Union do lean things more heavily on protecting themselves over representing their Membership. But that sounds to me like Corporate America too doesn’t it?

Now if you’re someone who takes a party line that all Unions are rotten to the core and are the enemy (But the Corporation loves you) you’re never going to be objective about anything they do anyway. Unfortunately Al you do weigh pretty heavily in that camp.

BTW Al maybe you should trust them at least just a little bit that they are trying to get us the best deal possible?

Not really that much of a history in trust Im afraid .I could easily say you lean to the union as much as I lean to the company; hell you couldn't even bring yourself to admit the company pays your salary

 

[Tim Nelson]

Not really that much of a history in trust Im afraid .I could easily say you lean to the union as much as I lean to the company; hell you couldn't even bring yourself to admit the company pays your salary

weezle has no exit. Backed into a corner by Uncle Jerry and weez threatens to call the mediator cuz he hasnt a clue what he is talking about.

BTW, Trumps new boys over at the nmb wont be as kind as they might have been in 2014.

Weez will have us in mediation hoping for pence to lose in 2024 but by then it will be too late.

 

[WeAAsles]

Not really that much of a history in trust Im afraid .I could easily say you lean to the union as much as I lean to the company; hell you couldn't even bring yourself to admit the company pays your salary

When have I ever said that the Company doesn’t pay my salary? That I wasn’t appreciative of that Company manager deciding to hire me above other applicants all those years ago? That I didn’t appreciate the occasions when a CSM or Manager went out of their way to help me with something?

Al I have a model of a AA Branded Ford Tri Motor beside my bed. I don’t have a TWU Poster on my wall. I’ve also spoken here often about the History of AA and how cool I think it is to work for an American institution.

Now can you say any kind words about the IAM like I just did the Company?

 

[ALUS78]

When have I ever said that the Company doesn’t pay my salary? That I wasn’t appreciative of that Company manager deciding to hire me above other applicants all those years ago? That I didn’t appreciate the occasions when a CSM or Manager went out of their way to help me with something?

Al I have a model of a AA Branded Ford Tri Motor beside my bed. I don’t have a TWU Poster on my wall. I’ve also spoken here often about the History of AA and how cool I think it is to work for an American institution.

Now can you say any kind words about the IAM like I just did the Company?

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No

 

[WeAAsles]

No

Ok so again I have to harp over and over on the fact that you should be in Management Al. Seniority is something that you benefit from in your contract. You “claim” that’s the only reason you stay in the job you’re in right now?

I’d have to honestly call you a liar then Al.

 

[Racer X]

Again “Mr” Nelson do you CURRENTLY “””OWN””” any of this work? Could the Company have outsourced that work years ago if they had wanted?

How long do you think it takes to get a new Company up and running to perform all of that work? Do you think a Company will sign up only to have their Contract not be renewed when a future deal is made with the Association?

All of these workers you talk about will have recall rights Tim.

BTW if you are a behind the scenes Spokesman for Jerry Glass and the F&H Team then give them this message. DO IT. Pull the trigger TOMORROW on all of the work that is NOT owned by the TWU/IAM Association.

I’m sure the NMB Mediator would call that “Good Faith” Bargaining and smile favorably on the move.

You’re nothing but a fear peddler Nelson. A real class act.

WeAAS:
I made some inquiries.... Phl 175’s.......have approx 300 weekly departures..........Phl currently has over 1500 total weekly departures. That is roughly 20%.
With approx 1800 fleet employees that does not compute to 850 jobs lost or half of their staffing gone. Some of the other when and where so directed in Phl is approx 30 Lav and water and 25 tow team. (although the tow would most likely stay with MTC). Again not even close to 850.
I talked with both DCA and BOS also, they say 300 and 150 are not a realistic number. It is actually much lower than that.
Please also be aware of the the current LUS 7 flights a week language.
As of this posting, I have not heard from BWI or RDU.
Just to be clear.....I am NOT saying by any means that job loss is ok. Just tried to dig for more accurate info.

 

[Tim Nelson]

after all the bullchiat it is determined that the Association blows and has no way out. Al, ill be putting my dues objector path up soon. Starving the beast really is the only way to root it out. We deserve better than Petersons tin foil hat and his garbage "attack this company" speech where nobody listened to him, not even his dog.

These guys are in neverland. NYer was right.

 

[conehead777]

Don't care?Who do you think picks up those bags In the bag room...so it does affect me.I see no reason why the mechs cant have their own union and why it would bother you that they did.As far as Coney goes I dont want to upset him.He realizes they may get rid of avionics so hes studying for his AP test to be a real AMT its either that or installing seats and rugs for the rest of his career[/QUOTEhave had my a and p since 84