American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[ALUS78]

You dont know either point you suggested.

BTW, the company really isnt in any hurry. With the revenue projections making the shareholders fussy, Parker simply isnt in the same financial position to offer us things that he could have a year ago.

And btw you dont know it, but you just wiped out at least 10 smaller stations by asking for $40 and lus health care for all, and rejecting an offer which was 13% over United.

Tim i blame all this delay in.negotiations on Petersons slander pay backs a bi!ch

 

[ALUS78]

If you’re thinking I should be your Dancing Monkey on here and follow a particular direction you have in mind for me, I really need to have your list of who you consider to be “Internet Gasbags”

What happens if we don’t share the same opinions on who fits that description?

I “SERIOUSLY” want to read your list?

Weezs Enemy du jour

 

[lax]

How about we get some if not all of the picketers and hand deliver the available dates the Association is willing to meet over to Parker at HQ. So much talk in those updates, how about more action. An update to me telling the company they are available doesn't seem to be doing the trick. Or is that something the IAM is against. So much talk, but very little action. Actions do speak louder than words...

ASS=IAM=Sham=Smoke+Mirrors

 

[WeAAsles]

God help you all.

I’m actually not concerned in the slightest about it. As long as I have an enforceable Employment Contract I don’t have to be the Company’s Dancing Monkey.

I have to do my job and earn my pay of course but I can leave my shirt untucked and grow a Dave Letterman Santa Clause beard if that’s what I want.

 

[WeAAsles]

There will be no talks officially scheduled that would include NMB Mediators until at least November. Tick Tock.

 

[Racer X]

Racer are you saying that the total cost of extending the Medical that you currently enjoy out to all Association (TWU) Members would only be an added $24 Million per year?

What is the $39 Million? Is that a total that the Company would anticipate paying out in Medical costs if we had a more preferred cost or is that what they lay out currently?

The Company knows that they’re Medical Plan offerings are not a prize currently. Trying to sell it online that the Plan offerings are “Competitive” is extremely laughable.

I haven’t found one blue collar person yet who’s jumped up and down and become excited over the “Competitive” selling point.

39 million is the number the company put on it.
Yes for all 30,000 association
Cost is 15 mill a yr for IAM
An additional 24 million for Twu
TOTAL 39 mill

 

[MetalMover]

No Bingo. And we seem to have many people on these Forums pages worrying about how the Company can adjust over a particular situation rather than worrying about their own instead.

Have you paid attention to the new rates I posted? Do you find an 11.9% increase for the Family Value plan to be reasonable to any of us much less trying to thrust that cost on people who contractually today DON’T have to be saddled with it?

I already saw the rates WeAAz! And I can comprehend them very well, thank you!
All I am saying is that I do not believe we are going to win on the medical issue.
Just my opinion. This can go on for another 3 years and we will have still paid the higher medical. And we will still be discussing it on this forum.
If the company is willing to capitulate the medical, they would have done so already even at the expense of another hot topic issue like Scope.
A mediator is not going to change any side's position if both sides are not willing to budge.
So either way we will continue to pay the higher premiums.

 

[MetalMover]

I’m actually not concerned in the slightest about it. As long as I have an enforceable Employment Contract I don’t have to be the Company’s Dancing Monkey.

I have to do my job and earn my pay of course but I can leave my shirt untucked and grow a Dave Letterman Santa Clause beard if that’s what I want.

Nothing another trip to BK court can't fix.

 

[Racer X]

That's not the cost to the Company. If the mechanics and fleet get their own Insurance eventually all 120,000 employees would end up on that plan.

39 million is the cost for the association represented employees.
I agree the total cost company is worried about is comprehensive of ALL employees
But we aren’t in negotiations for the pilots FAs cust service etc. and we shouldn’t be held to that.
I believe the number for all employees is a little over 150 million

 

[WeAAsles]

39 million is the number the company put on it.
Yes for all 30,000 association
Cost is 15 mill a yr for IAM
An additional 24 million for Twu
TOTAL 39 mill

Thank you Racer.

I already saw the rates WeAAz! And I can comprehend them very well, thank you!
All I am saying is that I do not believe we are going to win on the medical issue.
Just my opinion. This can go on for another 3 years and we will have still paid the higher medical. And we will still be discussing it on this forum.
If the company is willing to capitulate the medical, they would have done so already even at the expense of another hot topic issue like Scope.
A mediator is not going to change any side's position if both sides are not willing to budge.
So either way we will continue to pay the higher premiums.

Metal if the idea of winning means us coming all the way down to what the IAM pays today, then I agree with you and I also don’t think we’re going to win that argument.

But I also don’t see the Company winning the argument to bring them all the way up to what we’re (insanely on the Family rate) going to be paying next year.

I think the Company also knows this and why they’ve padded the deck a little in increased percentages next year which they claim match the Nationwide average. (That’s not what I’ve read)

BTW the Company Roadshows trying to convince IAM Members that the LAA Medical is something they might want was a complete humiliating laughing stock all across the board and they know this.

Again when the best selling point you got on it is that it’s “Competitive” that’s pretty damn pathetic if you ask me.

 

[WeAAsles]

Nothing another trip to BK court can't fix.

“Battle is the most magnificent competition in which a human being can indulge. It brings out all that is best; it removes all that is base. All men are afraid in battle. The coward is the one who lets his fear overcome his sense of duty. Duty is the essence of manhood.”

George S. Patton.

 

[Kev3188]

.I could pick out a NW person right away ...

It's easy to do; we're all ruggedly handsome.

If you’re thinking I should be your Dancing Monkey on here and follow a particular direction you have in mind for me, I really need to have your list of who you consider to be “Internet Gasbags”

What happens if we don’t share the same opinions on who fits that description?

I “SERIOUSLY” want to read your list?

Actually, it's just the opposite. I'm looking forward to you becoming your own man again.

 

[WeAAsles]

Actually, it's just the opposite. I'm looking forward to you becoming your own man again.

Ok let’s entertain this a little here. First of course you didn’t answer (as expected) what I asked you? And second it’s “very” insulting (you could care less though) to accuse anyone of not being there own man. (Should I accuse you of kissing Tims ass?)

So Kev who is it particularly and precisely that controls me then? If I’m controlled is it because I’m being paid something?

Can you accept people who just don’t agree with what you think? (Why I stay out of the Water Cooler BTW. Fools on both sides of the viewpoints)

 

[Tim Nelson]

“Battle is the most magnificent competition in which a human being can indulge. It brings out all that is best; it removes all that is base. All men are afraid in battle. The coward is the one who lets his fear overcome his sense of duty. Duty is the essence of manhood.”

George S. Patton.

Patton was in the front lines. We don't even know who the Executive Committee is. Plus, Patton didn't blow his wad and hand the enemy everything the enemy wanted before going into battle.

There is no battle. NONE. Stop all of the working class hero stuff Weez. There exist NOTHING WE CAN DO to control this outcome other than submit now or take a lot less later.
Self Help: Gave that up. NOT HAPPENING unless the union wants to shut down and lose hundreds of millions in a lawsuit.
Merger Leverage: ZERO. We gave up all 'seamlessness'.
Economic Leverage: Thanks to Uncle Donnie, (Sorry Racer but you lose) the economy is booming, but with oil approaching $75, the economic winds are not as strong as when oil was at $43. Hopefully, Racer and 700 are wrong and the economy doesn't go south.

Competitive leverage: ZERO. All negotiations are based on the competition. Mr Baskett recommended a chiat contract over at United. Uncle Jerry proposed 13% over United. The only leverage we would have had is if Uncle Jerry only offered less than United. He didn't.

Conclusion: We are losing money each and ever day. Thus far since September 12,th, the association has costed a Full timer: $275 per week.

 

[MetalMover]

Thank you Racer.



Metal if the idea of winning means us coming all the way down to what the IAM pays today, then I agree with you and I also don’t think we’re going to win that argument.

You would be surprised the amount of people who won't settle for anything less.

But I also don’t see the Company winning the argument to bring them all the way up to what we’re (insanely on the Family rate) going to be paying next year.
I think the Company also knows this and why they’ve padded the deck a little in increased percentages next year which they claim match the Nationwide average. (That’s not what I’ve read)

I truly wish I could agree with you on this one.

BTW the Company Roadshows trying to convince IAM Members that the LAA Medical is something they might want was a complete humiliating laughing stock all across the board and they know this.

Yes it is laughable.

Again when the best selling point you got on it is that it’s “Competitive” that’s pretty damn pathetic if you ask me.

I wonder what DL and US pay for medical.