American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[Tim Nelson]

Tim i blame all this delay in.negotiations on Petersons slander pay backs a bi!ch

I liked the video but I told everyone on here that negotiations was OVER. I think I said "Game Over" and I thanked sister Gary for his unprofessional Barbie tantrum. I was "Tipped off" by "Super Fly". Well, after Uncle Jerry C Blocked sister Peterson and filed section 6, the truth was revealed. And the union was in complete shock and disarray. What amazes me is that they think they are in some sorta video game and not reality. They didn't see this coming, yet one little dude like myself knew exactly what was coming after Peterson messed with the horns.

 

[ALUS78]

Patton was in the front lines. We don't even know who the Executive Committee is. Plus, Patton didn't blow his wad and hand the enemy everything the enemy wanted before going into battle.

There is no battle. NONE. Stop all of the working class hero stuff Weez. There exist NOTHING WE CAN DO to control this outcome other than submit now or take a lot less later.
Self Help: Gave that up. NOT HAPPENING unless the union wants to shut down and lose hundreds of millions in a lawsuit.
Merger Leverage: ZERO. We gave up all 'seamlessness'.
Economic Leverage: Thanks to Uncle Donnie, (Sorry Racer but you lose) the economy is booming, but with oil approaching $75, the economic winds are not as strong as when oil was at $43.ui Hopefully, Racer and 700 are wrong and the economy doesn't go south.

Competitive leverage: ZERO. All negotiations are based on the competition. Mr Baskett recommended a chiat contract over at United. Uncle Jerry proposed 13% over United. The only leverage we would have had is if Uncle Jerry only offered less than United. He didn't.

Conclusion: We are losing money each and ever day. Thus far since September 12,th, the association has costed a Full timer: $275 per week.

Tim can you explain how Baskett was involved with the UAL debacle?

 

[B737 driver]

Patton was in the front lines. We don't even know who the Executive Committee is. Plus, Patton didn't blow his wad and hand the enemy everything the enemy wanted before going into battle.

There is no battle. NONE. Stop all of the working class hero stuff Weez. There exist NOTHING WE CAN DO to control this outcome other than submit now or take a lot less later.
Self Help: Gave that up. NOT HAPPENING unless the union wants to shut down and lose hundreds of millions in a lawsuit.
Merger Leverage: ZERO. We gave up all 'seamlessness'.
Economic Leverage: Thanks to Uncle Donnie, (Sorry Racer but you lose) the economy is booming, but with oil approaching $75, the economic winds are not as strong as when oil was at $43. Hopefully, Racer and 700 are wrong and the economy doesn't go south.

Competitive leverage: ZERO. All negotiations are based on the competition. Mr Baskett recommended a chiat contract over at United. Uncle Jerry proposed 13% over United. The only leverage we would have had is if Uncle Jerry only offered less than United. He didn't.

Conclusion: We are losing money each and ever day. Thus far since September 12,th, the association has costed a Full timer: $275 per week.

I wish you would explain economics to my stupid cohearts at SWA. I just lost 57,000 in bonus and backpay with no scope change and an $8.00 an hour raise. Some idiots think we should be released for self help. Hmmm do I sense the ghosts of AMFA Northwest returning. What's really funny is after the guy in Dallas leaked the voting results early in the voting, AMFA denied those were real results, then said yes it was, but nothing was compromised. However now they claim it was voted overwhelmingly down, but only post the number of people who voted, but not the actual results of pass/ fail votes.

 

[Kev3188]

I wonder what DL and US pay for medical.

We have a few plans: 3 that are high deductible HSA plans, and an HRA plan (pilots have other options through their CBA. Not sure what plans Dispatchers have available to the ).

The lowest deductible HRA plan (the “Gold” plan) costs $348/mo. for family coverage, and have a $3900 max deductible.

 

[ALUS78]

I wish you would explain economics to my stupid cohearts at SWA. I just lost 57,000 in bonus and backpay with no scope change and an $8.00 an hour raise. Some idiots think we should be released for self help. Hmmm do I sense the ghosts of AMFA Northwest returning. What's really funny is after the guy in Dallas leaked the voting results early in the voting, AMFA denied those were real results, then said yes it was, but nothing was compromised. However now they claim it was voted overwhelmingly down, but only post the number of people who voted, but not the actual results of pass/ fail votes.

None of the big 4 would be allowed to strike,need to get that into their heads

 

[WeAAsles]

I wonder what DL and UAL pay for medical.

DL is a moving target I think since except for their Pilots who have contracts the other employees have no restrictions on areas the Conpany can get their money back, like certain Medical procedures and prescription Medicines.

I read a little bit on UAL in the Fleet Contract and by percentages it’s comparable to what we have on overall percentage of what they contribute (20%) and the Company contributes (80%) “supposedly” And the costs can’t rise more than 9% annually.

That was just a quick little glance though. To do that comparison work even if I had their Benefits Enrollment books I’m sure would take a few hours to piece together.

Metal I honestly doubt the Company is lying when they say their plans are “Comparable.” Even if you don’t trust the TWU, I assume you would trust the APA would keep an eye on that.

 

[MetalMover]

“Battle is the most magnificent competition in which a human being can indulge. It brings out all that is best; it removes all that is base. All men are afraid in battle. The coward is the one who lets his fear overcome his sense of duty. Duty is the essence of manhood.”

George S. Patton.

This is more descriptive of our situation regarding the Association!...…

“We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately.”

― Benjamin Franklin

 

[MetalMover]

We have a few plans: 3 that are high deductible HSA plans, and an HRA plan (pilots have other options through their CBA. Not sure what plans Dispatchers have available to the ).

The lowest deductible HRA plan (the “Gold” plan) costs $348/mo. for family coverage, and have a $3900 max deductible.

Interesting...Thanks for the info.

 

[MetalMover]

DL is a moving target I think since except for their Pilots who have contracts the other employees have no restrictions on areas the Conpany can get their money back, like certain Medical procedures and prescription Medicines.

I read a little bit on UAL in the Fleet Contract and by percentages it’s comparable to what we have on overall percentage of what they contribute (20%) and the Company contributes (80%) “supposedly” And the costs can’t rise more than 9% annually.

That was just a quick little glance though. To do that comparison work even if I had their Benefits Enrollment books I’m sure would take a few hours to piece together.

Metal I honestly doubt the Company is lying when they say their plans are “Comparable.” Even if you don’t trust the TWU, I assume you would trust the APA would keep an eye on that.

That's my point. We all know we pay alot for medical. Especially when compared to LUS...
But about the rest of the industry? Country?

 

[ALUS78]

This is more descriptive of our situation regarding the Association!...…

“We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately.”

― Benjamin Franklin

Dude we are already swinging

 

[B737 driver]

Interesting...Thanks for the info.

That's close to ours best plan is $367 a month, $4000 deductible.

 

[Tim Nelson]

I wish you would explain economics to my stupid cohearts at SWA. I just lost 57,000 in bonus and backpay with no scope change and an $8.00 an hour raise. Some idiots think we should be released for self help. Hmmm do I sense the ghosts of AMFA Northwest returning. What's really funny is after the guy in Dallas leaked the voting results early in the voting, AMFA denied those were real results, then said yes it was, but nothing was compromised. However now they claim it was voted overwhelmingly down, but only post the number of people who voted, but not the actual results of pass/ fail votes.

The problem is that self help will NEVER be granted. PERIOD. And Bill CLinton's NAFTA all but destroyed the AMT field when the parts stopped being taxed, etc. Once Clinton's NAFTA bill was signed, the AMT craft went from hundreds of thousands to tens of thousands and even just thousands. At USAir, we had 9,000 mechanics, much more than fleet service, but then Post NAFTA, the company sent everything south to Mexico. Today, due to globalism, the AMT craft is just a remnant. At USAir I think we have 3,500 but that includes GSE auto shop, etc. Unless trade policies shift, and Trump is doing his best, the AMT craft will feel heavy pressure from globalism. Trump just signed a bill making sure Mexico pays at least $15 hour a think? Hell, we don't even have that here.

But, yea, AMFA isn't going to get anything better. The economy actually is going to cool, just by nature, and when it does, what else are you going to give up? We are 3 years behind you. I'm losing $275 a week because of this union. That adds up.

 

[MetalMover]

That's close to ours best plan is $367 a month, $4000 deductible.

Thanks!

 

[WeAAsles]

That's my point. We all know we pay alot for medical. Especially when compared to LUS...
But about the rest of the industry? Country?

Well if you want to start doing comparisons and say we should stick within those guidelines I’m going to have to trot back out that old AMT BLS link, lol.

I think IMO we’re too focused on worrying about the poor Company when it comes to this Medical stuff. Did they worry about us back in 2003? (Yea I hate dredging that old Demon up) Corporate wasn’t too concerned about us when they wanted to dump our Pensions on a dramatically underfunded PBGC. (They weren’t concerned about us all the years they weren’t funding it at all)

So seriously why are we focused on the Company now to our disadvantage?

How much have they spent (wasted) so far on those Share Buybacks?

 

[Tim Nelson]

Well if you want to start doing comparisons and say we should stick within those guidelines I’m going to have to trot back out that old AMT BLS link, lol.

I think IMO we’re too focused on worrying about the poor Company when it comes to this Medical stuff. Did they worry about us back in 2003? (Yea I hate dredging that old Demon up) Corporate wasn’t too concerned about us when they wanted to dump our Pensions on a dramatically underfunded PBGC. (They weren’t concerned about us all the years they weren’t funding it at all)

So seriously why are we focused on the Company now to our disadvantage?

How much have they spent (wasted) so far on those Share Buybacks?

Weez, when the company offers a less economic package in section 6, how are you going to pay for it? You going to take the reallocation of resource approach and close down 20 small stations now just to keep the hubs from seeing less money and benefits than prior to section 6? Members wanna know.