American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[Kev3188]

Weez, when the company offers a less economic package in section 6, how are you going to pay for it? You going to take the reallocation of resource approach and close down 20 small stations now just to keep the hubs from seeing less money and benefits than prior to section 6? Members wanna know.

Don’t forget people rationalizing lazy negotiating for years afterward by saying “well, they voted for it!”

 

[Tim Nelson]

Haha. 13% over UA?? Was that on DOS??? Do you ever stop with the BS??? EVER???? I see you are still trying to figure out who I am. First I was CB... now I’m someone that talks about the economy and the POTUS?????
( whoever you think that is ).

yes, the total package was worth cost positive $120 million a year. ttl per FTE is over $100,000. Its a proposal that is 13% greater than united. Thats what you guys left on the table.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Don’t forget people rationalizing lazy negotiating for years afterward by saying “well, they voted for it!”

As it turns out, the Association has no exit plan. Since everyone now admits that it botched by handing the company its holy grail, cross u.

The only card left is the submit card. The longer they go, the less we get and the more we lose. im out $275 a week

 

[cltrat]

I think you’re full of chit

 

[WeAAsles]

Don’t forget people rationalizing lazy negotiating for years afterward by saying “well, they voted for it!”

I’ve seen you write this before and I’d like it if you can give me a clear definition as to what “lazy negotiating” means or is? What makes a lazy negotiator? Can the Company also have lazy negotiators? Have you yourself witnessed people negotiating lazily?

I really have no clue what your comment means or how that could even work?

As it turns out, the Association has no exit plan. Since everyone now admits that it botched by handing the company its holy grail, cross u.

The only card left is the submit card. The longer they go, the less we get and the more we lose. im out $275 a week

I’m sure I’m going to regret responding to this but I am enjoying my morning coffee watching CNBC anyway.

$275.00 per week = $1100.00 per month
$1100.00 per month = $13,200 per year

Using what the “Company” has publicly stated they are offering which would be 3% above UAL or a wage raise of $1.36 (One dollar and thirty six cents) DOS, how are you arriving at $275.00 per week?

$1.36 x 40 = $54.40

I’m going to assume that you are “trying” to add your extra shift differential, Holliday’s, and 401k increase?

And more than likely we will receive retro at least for the loss of wages.

I think you’re full of chit

Most of the time purposely. Many times just incredibly bad at Math.

 

[WeAAsles]

I agree. From what II have read, I am ok with what I SEE! But the union's position, although noble and pro union member, is overly unrealistic in SOME aspects. Now if their plan is to shed those "unrealistic" demands to make it look like they are conceding on issues, then it is sooooooooooooo obvious and a waste of time.

I’m sure they have areas that they are going to be willing to concede and even Gary himself said it in one of the videos. But right now it’s not looking like the Company is where the Unions would like them to be.

I think you should focus the conversation more on Scope and job loss that it seems to me is more important than the Medical issue.

The Company wants to shrink a lot of the work we perform today for the future. Like TWU President Juan Elvira and Dale Danker wrote before him that effects our quality of life when it comes to shift bids and days off to be with our families.

For Scope in Maintenance and related it’s the TWU standing in the main crosshairs. For Fleet it’s mainly the IAM.

 

[WeAAsles]

BTW here are the names of the assigned Mediators located on the NMB.gov Webpage.

http://www.nmb.gov/archive/activ-rpts/weekly-activity-report-september-10-2018-september-14-2018/

 

[WeAAsles]

Here’s some searched information on MacKenzie and Durham.

https://smart-union.org/news/three-new-mediators-join-the-nmb/

 

[anotherdelay]

Hey Tim, is the deicng company in Ord, an outsource company, or an airport company?

 

[PIEDMONT784]

I think “Mr” Nelson may have his Mathematic thoughts or what he believes he was told a little off.

Weez.. good job on the hand math...

Can you also calculate the numeric disparity between 770 and 20?

I’ve seen you write this before and I’d like it if you can give me a clear definition as to what “lazy negotiating” means or is?

His current negotiators are very lazy... so lazy in fact, they don't even exist!
As far as being non-represented, apparently his workgroup "voted" for it!

>SPIT<

 

[2ndGENAMT]

Former pilot and Flight attendant turned Management.

http://www.nmb.gov/about-nmb/offici...ce-of-mediation-adr-services/james-mackenzie/

http://www.nmb.gov/about-nmb/officials-staff/nmb-board/office-of-mediation-adr-services/eva-durham/

 

[WeAAsles]

A former exec at Google and Facebook doesn't just expect job candidates to negotiate their offer — she hopes they will

Shana Lebowitz
Business InsiderSeptember 20, 2018, 8:58 AM EDT

libby leffler

Steve Maller

• Libby Leffler, a former Facebook executive and Google employee, is now the vice president of membership at SoFi.
  
  
• Leffler said she always expects job candidates to negotiate their job offer because it shows how they'll behave once they get hired.
  
  
• She added that you can negotiate other pieces of the offer besides salary, like equity or vacation time.
  

Negotiating a job offer is a notoriously harrowing process, especially if you've never done it before and assume the world will explode if you request a dollar more.

But there are some good reasons to do it anyway — not least among them that if you don't negotiate your starting salary, you could lose out on $1 million over the course of your lifetime.

Plus, you might impress your prospective employer with your initiative.

At least, that's true if you're going to work for Libby Leffler. Leffler is the vice president of membership at personal finance company SoFi; she previously worked at Google and Facebook. Leffler told Business Insider, "I am always expecting people that I hire on my team to negotiate their job offer."

The reason why is simple: It indicates how the candidate will behave after they've been hired.

Leffler said, "I know when they're in their roles for me, they're going to negotiate whatever it might be. They're going to work with a partner to get something done; they're going to work with the sales team to make something happen; they're going to be able to achieve a compromise with a cross-functional team so that we can move a project forward."

That said, no one will be impressed by someone who throws out a ludicrously large number.

As Business Insider's Áine Cain reported, it's crucial to do your research before negotiating salary. You can use sites such as Glassdoor, PayScale, and Salary.com. to figure out the standard salary for the role you're interested in.

If this is your first job, you can also try asking people who worked entry-level positions at the company what their starting salary was, Cain reported.

Leffler noted that negotiating your salary doesn't necessarily mean asking for more cash. "It can be any component of compensation that might be important to you," she said, such as flexible hours, vacation time, or equity in the company.

Ultimately, a candidate's willingness to put themselves out there and negotiate any piece of a job offer reveals a lot about their potential work performance.

Leffler said, "I want to find the people that are motivated, that are considering this to be a great career opportunity and really want to find a way to make this work for them. Those people will be the ones who feel most satisfied in their roles."

 

[dfw gen]

i wouldn't look for anything till after the holidays, specifically valentines day....

 

[WeAAsles]

Former pilot and Flight attendant turned Management.

http://www.nmb.gov/about-nmb/offici...ce-of-mediation-adr-services/james-mackenzie/

http://www.nmb.gov/about-nmb/officials-staff/nmb-board/office-of-mediation-adr-services/eva-durham/

I’m going to “assume” that they’re both professionals and if they have any personal leanings they won’t let them get in the way of the work they need to perform.

They both are very well credentialed though.

 

[ALUS78]

They will not release it, because that's what they the negotiating committee decided. I could see that if it was close. But I see no point when it was supposedly a landslide.

Isnt that unheard of,sounds like something from the Hoffa years.I hate that "we know whats good for you" chit