American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[Tim Nelson]

Might be a good time for Fleet service to start a card drive for better representation. There has to be a better way. The association has full control of all groups without any membership say.

I guess it might be coming. Why not? I've discouraged the new President of the new union from bothering with the Association because TWU members just seem like they honestly like getting cornholed. I should be able to get a solid bunch of IAM members to sign cards but I'd need some rank and filers from the TWU to get involved and put pressure on this miserable Associaiton.
I won't get in the way of AMP. AMP seems to be doing quite well and so I support what they are doing.

 

[WeAAsles]

Fact Check

Sorry, weez, maybe for non IAM members but the IAM waived off all local provisions for Alaska airline and United Airline by contract. City councils don't have authority over State and National laws. If you are serious, you might want to google, "Alaska Airlines Washington Supreme Court Sea Tac".
After the Change to Win and AFLCIO spent $6 million on the drive to $15 at Sea-Tac, Alaska Airlines argued that the RLA is a national labor law and should supercede local laws. The Washington Supreme court ruling stipulated that only a Labor contract could get Alaska Airlines out of the local law. So, Alaska Airline wrote to the Washington Supreme Court that it was forcing it to seek out a union to get around the wage. It's all documented, not joking. So, since Menzies had no union contract, Alaska sought out the IAM, and your friend Sito, got automatic recognition and a 12 page contract which specifically addresses Sea-Tac, and actually EWR and NY (due to other local laws there) as well, and now only pays $13 at Sea-Tac even though the minimum is now up to $16.50 for non contract Sea-Tac workers.

I’m sorry Tim but unlike you I don’t have the NRTW group or F&H to assist me in Legal summations, opinions or decisions as I’m just a single lone neophyte here.

Ask them to explain why it is then that AA (for under contract groups) has had to raise their starting rates to remain in compliance with set Airport Board minimum requirements for wages?

And always nothing personal but I don’t know your friend Sito and never even heard of the IAM frankly before the merger. Never heard of you then either actually.

But you do always mention these things even though the topic remains always completely ignored, can you post this 12 page Contract so I can see if it might interest me?

 

[Tim Nelson]

I’m sorry Tim but unlike you I don’t have the NRTW group or F&H to assist me in Legal summations, opinions or decisions as I’m just a single lone neophyte here.

Ask them to explain why it is then that AA (for under contract groups) has had to raise their starting rates to remain in compliance with set Airport Board minimum requirements for wages?

And always nothing personal but I don’t know your friend Sito and never even heard of the IAM frankly before the merger. Never heard of you then either actually.

But you do always mention these things even though the topic remains always completely ignored, can you post this 12 page Contract so I can see if it might interest me?

I imagine that your contract, unlike McGee or UGS, didn't have those waivers in it. But UGS and McGee certainly do. United already knew about this wage increase so it fired 800 union contractors last month in EWR and brought in UGS to save on the wage. American, and LUS don't have this waiver in our contracts.

Has nothing to do with Uncle Jerry and F & S. I'm a researcher, like you, you just choose not to tell everything. It's all public information.

 

[WeAAsles]

This is last page (Page 12) of the McGee contract. The contract was made in July 2016, prior to when the NMB certified the IAM through automatic recognition by its buddy Alaska Airline Management, which certified automatically in August, 2016. Gotta love Sito if you are an anti union man.

I’m sorry Tim I was typing my last comment as you were typing your response.

I also found and partially read this article to try to understand what you have been babbling about between yourself and your Josh character this past year or so.

https://www.seattletimes.com/busine...-as-sea-tac-law-leaves-a-confusing-patchwork/

So when are you planning to relocate to Seattle to try and attempt to assist those 75 workers? Will that be happening soon?

Remember Tim an injustice to one is an injustice to all. Pack your bags.

 

[WeAAsles]

I imagine that your contract, unlike McGee or UGS, didn't have those waivers in it. But UGS and McGee certainly do. United already knew about this wage increase so it fired 800 union contractors last month in EWR and brought in UGS to save on the wage. American, and LUS don't have this waiver in our contracts.

Has nothing to do with Uncle Jerry and F & S. I'm a researcher, like you, you just choose not to tell everything. It's all public information.

You’re right that I do my research Tim. Do you?

The 800 individuals you are speaking of are NOT UAL IAM 141 Represented Members but are actually ABM who are being replaced and can reapply with UGE.

Rumor has it that here in MIA they will be replacing Eulen who also currently perform those same jobs and will be transitioning them to TWU Represented Envoy positions? (So far still a rumor)

https://www.google.com/amp/s/articl..._of_newark_airport_workers_facing_layoffs.amp

 

[Tim Nelson]

You’re right that I do my research Tim. Do you?

The 800 individuals you are speaking of are NOT UAL IAM 141 Represented Members but are actually ABM who are being replaced and can reapply with UGE.

Rumor has it that here in MIA they will be replacing Eulen who also currently perform those same jobs and will be transitioning them to TWU Represented Envoy positions? (So far still a rumor)

https://www.google.com/amp/s/articl..._of_newark_airport_workers_facing_layoffs.amp

Yea so anyways, you need to take reading comprehension. Those 800 workers are union workers. Never said they were IAM. Sure, they have a choice to re-apply and wear the IAM Logo pin for UGS. But that pin is costing them about $5 buck an hour.

 

[Tim Nelson]

I’m sorry Tim I was typing my last comment as you were typing your response.

I also found and partially read this article to try to understand what you have been babbling about between yourself and your Josh character this past year or so.

https://www.seattletimes.com/busine...-as-sea-tac-law-leaves-a-confusing-patchwork/

So when are you planning to relocate to Seattle to try and attempt to assist those 75 workers? Will that be happening soon?

Remember Tim an injustice to one is an injustice to all. Pack your bags.

NYer was right, you are uneducated and can't read. Those 75 workers are cargo workers who work at Alaska Airlines under the ramp contract. All of the other IAM ramp workers were contracted out on the ramp. They only kept the cargo. The other 800 workers are the new blood that the IAM snatched when Alaska approached Sito about signing a 12 page contract in July, and in return, he would recognize the union in August and he would nab 800 dues payers.

Weez, you are a self professed union guy, right? Yet, your agenda and your handlers won't allow you to admit this is not only wrong but about as anti union as it gets.

 

[Tim Nelson]

I’m sorry Tim I was typing my last comment as you were typing your response.

I also found and partially read this article to try to understand what you have been babbling about between yourself and your Josh character this past year or so.

https://www.seattletimes.com/busine...-as-sea-tac-law-leaves-a-confusing-patchwork/

So when are you planning to relocate to Seattle to try and attempt to assist those 75 workers? Will that be happening soon?

Remember Tim an injustice to one is an injustice to all. Pack your bags.

BTW Weez, who do you think contacted Dom Gates about that loophole? I did. We had many conversations and I coached him on that article.

 

[WeAAsles]

Yea so anyways, you need to take reading comprehension. Those 800 workers are union workers. Never said they were IAM. Sure, they have a choice to re-apply and wear the IAM Logo pin for UGS. But that pin is costing them about $5 buck an hour.

NYer was right, you are uneducated and can't read. Those 75 workers are cargo workers who work at Alaska Airlines under the ramp contract. All of the other IAM ramp workers were contracted out on the ramp. They only kept the cargo. The other 800 workers are the new blood that the IAM snatched when Alaska approached Sito about signing a 12 page contract in July, and in return, he would recognize the union in August and he would nab 800 dues payers.

Weez, you are a self professed union guy, right? Yet, your agenda and your handlers won't allow you to admit this is not only wrong but about as anti union as it gets.

BTW Weez, who do you think contacted Dom Gates about that loophole? I did. We had many conversations and I coached him on that article.

Sorry man but being completely honest here. I could give a rats ass about DGS, UGE, McGee, Wee wee, or Pee pee. But of course you’re going to keep talking about it for however many years here on this AA thread.

Hope the IAM and TWU can snatch more and more and more and more of them.

 

[Tim Nelson]

IAM say’s the negotiated waiver exemption is all good because giving up pay in return for better health-care coverage and flight benefits and airport parking will eclipse the minimum wage

actually, they have no negotiated health care. Not in the McGee contract or the UGS contract. Or in the Spirit contract. No negotiated health care.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Sorry man but being completely honest here. I could give a rats ass about DGS, UGE, McGee, Wee wee, or Pee pee. But of course you’re going to keep talking about it for however many years here on this AA thread.

Hope the IAM and TWU can snatch more and more and more and more of them.

of course you don't care. Your narrow mind couldn't understand why I was out there trying to fight against United management for it's offer. Hell, you even got a .75 cent raise because I was doing a corporate campaign against United. I tried to explain to you and Mr Baskett that United matters because the anti union deal would come back and haunt us in our negotiations since CEO's do pattern bargaining. Uncle Jerry mentions it every 3rd word to Sister Peterson.

Sister Peterson said he is even sick and tired of hearing about United (in his video). Like Sister Gary, you and Mr Baskett aren't that educated. Not saying you guys are flat out dumb, you just have no sense of understanding how these things work and are only interested in your own agenda $$$.

 

[Tim Nelson]

RE: Your report on Alaska Airlines is fake news
Tim,

Since it seems there just may be something behind your stupid, insulting tone, I’ll ignore it and ask you to send me a copy of the contract or whatever else you have to document what you claim.



If it’s real, I’ll write about it.



Dominic Gates



Seattle Times

Aerospace Reporter

 

[CremaDiLimone]

Historically I believe in wages USair has been roughly less than a dollar below us. But they took worse hits than us in other areas. Their Retirement contributions for Fleet were destroyed all the way back in 1992. And I believe it was only years later that they were placed into the IAMPF.

You also have to remember that US before the merger was cobbled together somewhat from Piedmont and America West too. Those employees were no where near any of the Majors when it came to Compensation. It’s similar to where TWU Represented Envoy sits today making a TOS of $15.75 where we’re earning Double that.

- i remember the 2001 contract very well. my local president told me that protocol calls for asking for only 3% over delta. well, that's what what we got (easy vote after 9-11) and us air at that time, had just filed their 2 bk in 3 years, or something like that?

what i'm trying to say, is that aa was always higher paid and us air, well, no comment.

us air was our competition. ua and delta were also our competition. we blew them away. i worked for aa, you did, others who post here did. in the 90s, we were the delta and today with us air mngt., we are behind delta and united.

they're letting go of supervisors, i know of 2, BOTH legacy aa, let go over the past few days. each had over 30 years/level 3s probably earning over $80k a year. this is good news for al, not necessarily good news for the company as a whole, going forward. another manager said as it looks as though they are targeting laa mngt.

 

[WeAAsles]

of course you don't care. Your narrow mind couldn't understand why I was out there trying to fight against United management for it's offer. Hell, you even got a .75 cent raise because I was doing a corporate campaign against United. I tried to explain to you and Mr Baskett that United matters because the anti union deal would come back and haunt us in our negotiations since CEO's do pattern bargaining. Uncle Jerry mentions it every 3rd word to Sister Peterson.

Sister Peterson said he is even sick and tired of hearing about United (in his video). Like Sister Gary, you and Mr Baskett aren't that educated. Not saying you guys are flat out dumb, you just have no sense of understanding how these things work and are only interested in your own agenda $$$.

700 asked me to provide this to you with his regards. It looks like another one slips through your fingers there Tim.

Happy Retirement there Brother Gruber.

https://www.goiam.org/news/iam-inte...-announces-retirement-of-gvp-philip-j-gruber/

 

[Tim Nelson]

- i remember the 2001 contract very well. my local president told me that protocol calls for asking for only 3% over delta. well, that's what what we got (easy vote after 9-11) and us air at that time, had just filed their 2 bk in 3 years, or something like that?

what i'm trying to say, is that aa was always higher paid and us air, well, no comment.

us air was our competition. ua and delta were also our competition. we blew them away. i worked for aa, you did, others who post here did. in the 90s, we were the delta and today with us air mngt., we are behind delta and united.

they're letting go of supervisors, i know of 2, BOTH legacy aa, let go over the past few days. each had over 30 years/level 3s probably earning over $80k a year. this is good news for al, not necessarily good news for the company as a whole, going forward. another manager said as it looks as though they are targeting laa mngt.

cleaning house with supervisors here in ORD. Keeping USAir ones. Sending a few USAir managers down to DFW, heard to clean house there but not really sure.