American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[ALUS78]

at any rate, you guys can keep on with your talk about how great the Association is, a new union will be raiding the IAM very soon on many properties, and will be seeking other non-IAM turf to expand and free workers. A few TWU properties have already contacted us about raiding the TWU at some locations as well.
I tried telling the IAM to stop kissing management butt but it didn't listen.

Good maybe we could rid ourselves of the association

 

[WeAAsles]

at any rate, you guys can keep on with your talk about how great the Association is, a new union will be raiding the IAM very soon on many properties, and will be seeking other non-IAM turf to expand and free workers. A few TWU properties have already contacted us about raiding the TWU at some locations as well.
I tried telling the IAM to stop kissing management butt but it didn't listen.

 

[PIEDMONT784]

Good maybe we could rid ourselves of the association

Keep us all informed here, on how well "WE" are progressing with this little endeavor...

>SPIT<

 

[Kev3188]

Ok so I think I can flesh out a story here that you guys at Delta do much more with much less.

It took you all these posts to figure that out? The f**k you think I meant when I said DL is good at using PS to wring productivity out of its workforce?

Out of your 13,000 for 43 (soon to be 45) cities I believe you do your commuter work? (We don’t TWU) 40% of your workforce is Ready Reserve (Ours isn’t TWU) and you have around 30% Part Time (Same as TWU)

Now Delta is also a little smaller on Aircraft I believe so that also has to be factored in and you gain some points from that.

Combined TWU/IAM Association has 40 Stations with over 18,000 currently. So around 5000 more people working here.

Now having more locations to choose to work in is absolutely a nice thing and I hope to see those choices become available it still doesn’t negate the fact that compared to your Airline we have a lot more work available for my Class and Craft than your available jobs. (Always Ready Reserve positions open though)

Here's the deal: representation is a value proposition. IOW, an employee at any represented carrier should (in theory) have more than what I have. That's not always the case, and while you're content with that, maybe you shouldn't be.

 

[WeAAsles]

It took you all these posts to figure that out? The f**k you think I meant when I said DL is good at using PS to wring productivity out of its workforce?



Here's the deal: representation is a value proposition. IOW, an employee at any represented carrier should (in theory) have more than what I have. That's not always the case, and while you're content with that, maybe you shouldn't be.

My value proposition is 209 pages long and full of all sorts of LEGAL language. How many pages long is yours?

http://local502.twuatd.org/wp-content/uploads/file/aa_FleetServiceAgreement.pdf

My value proposition is also that I can’t be easily railroaded out of my job by Management and lose everything.

You certainly cant say the same.

You never seem to place much value on the “Enforceable Labor Agreement” honestly Kev. Money isn’t everything.

 

[Kev3188]

I have no taste for weak agreements, and wouldn’t accept one just to say I was represented again.

 

[WeAAsles]

I have no taste for weak agreements, and wouldn’t accept one just to say I was represented again.

So says the man with no agreements whatsoever working in a RTW State.

Insult my clothes (agreement) as much as you want. You’re the one walking naked in the snow, not me. (No skin off my apple honestly)

 

[PIEDMONT784]

I have no taste for weak agreements, and wouldn’t accept one just to say I was represented again.

Translation: "I'm not part of your work group, I don't work for the same company, nor am I even a member of your bargaining unit. However... I want you to take my advice, which for some coincidental reason sounds identical to others on here that are known dividers"!

 

[Kev3188]

What happens at one carrier affects us all.

 

[WeAAsles]

What happens at one carrier affects us all.

Then why don’t we have any Ready Reseve Employees at AA? There are no RR at any Unionized carrier as a matter of fact. Why don’t we have any Social Security offset in our Pensions?

How many stories am I reading on your Facebook Delta threads of Employees being railroaded out of the Company? How many of those same stories are you reading on ours? (Zero)

Again at LAA we have 17 Stations with 10,000 Members ALL on the same pay scales with the same benefits.

You have 43 Stations with 13,000 Employees where around 40% of them (5,000) are Ready Reserve.

You know if you took out the Ready Reserve that would mean you technically have only 8,000 Employees at 43 Stations. Those numbers are horrendous and that’s what WE have to argue against here.

 

[WeAAsles]

What happens at one carrier affects us all.

This was posted onto one of your Facebook pages just one hour ago Kevin. What happens at one carrier doesn’t necessarily affect us all.

“They are actively suing the company for everything from hostile work conditions, Age discrimination, sick calls/FMLA,Ambushing/stalking by management, gender/ anti-Semitic issues/ social media / Sedgwick issues , and much more , pay issues , and much more .

Delta does not have a direct relationship with its employees like they wish you to believe.
It’s become a very hostile company and you are just a number.

I for one am Disgusted in the way the company pits us against each other especially with these new sky pro’s which have the “family app” on it , And that we are encouraged to use to rat on one another. Agents especially in Atlanta blame the flight attendants for delays and then we have to go in the office and explain because we are the only ones accountable in this company!

It’s time to stand up legally -because unfortunately we do not have a union to protect us.

Stand up for your rights !

Also sign a card and go union.

GO UNION !!!!”

 

[WeAAsles]

What happens at one carrier affects us all.

I’ve never seen any writings like this in my Union Contract here at AA. Value proposition.

Delta's Human Resource Manual reads:

"Delta reserves the right to amend the terms and conditions of employment at any time for any reason. Just as all personnel have the right to resign their employment with Delta at any time and for any reason they choose, Delta may terminate the employment relationship with any employee at any time for any reason."

 

[Kev3188]

Thank you for trying to “Davesplain” my reality to me.

And again, if you are genuinely interested in helping lift us out of that, then you also must recognize that shitty contracts are roadblocks.

If you’re fat dumb and happy sitting in the sun down in MIA, that’s cool too; just be honest about it.

 

[WeAAsles]

Thank you for trying to “Davesplain” my reality to me.

And again, if you are genuinely interested in helping lift us out of that, then you also must recognize that shitty contracts are roadblocks.

If you’re fat dumb and happy sitting in the sun down in MIA, that’s cool too; just be honest about it.

No I’m really not interested in helping to lift “you” out of anything because I don’t think you are putting in any effort at all to help yourself.

And I’d MUCH rather have what “you” deem as my shitty contract over your NOTHING at all illusions of having anything at all.

I DO NOT work for Delta. Now get your own ass up out of your little comfort zone and start doing some heavy lifting if you want to change your reality. Otherwise YES I am a little “chunky” and VERY happy sitting in the sun down here in MIA. When have I ever claimed I wasn’t?

 

[Tim Nelson]

My value proposition is 209 pages long and full of all sorts of LEGAL language. How many pages long is yours?

http://local502.twuatd.org/wp-content/uploads/file/aa_FleetServiceAgreement.pdf

My value proposition is also that I can’t be easily railroaded out of my job by Management and lose everything.

You certainly cant say the same.

You never seem to place much value on the “Enforceable Labor Agreement” honestly Kev. Money isn’t everything.

Because of you being in MIA. Your agreement guaranteed thousands to lose their jobs and it guarantees you to have crapola medical. But because of people like you who care more about an organization and a club moreso than actual people, we are screwed. In the meantime, keep your complaining about how Parker needs to give us the Delta profit sharing and keep complaining bout why you only have 17 stations and few cargo centers, and keep complaining about why Delta uses Ready reserve while you dopes allow temporary agents with less rights. Keep complaining about Delta when you agreed to slice the throat of brothers and sisters who got laid off and replaced with envoy and Swissport at dozens of stations. But you are ok with envoy and other scab companies taking our job because they wear a shiny TWU pin. You, sir are the very definition of an anti unionist.