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AAStew, but I liked your reply better before you did the edit thing. And you are right, you lucky thing, you always have that sweet little thing with you.
Good luck to you and your work group. You, and the other work groups have been sucking hind t-- too long behind the pilots. Now I am sure I will catch hell also, but the plane would not fly without the other work groups also.


AAStew said:
The only pussy cat I have I keep close to me.
I don't begrudge you your food and benefits you have kept. I think your union is assinine for what is doing. I stand by my thoughts that you need higher hour months and older retirements.

Edited to be less crude.
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Said a union official for Southwest`s pilots, 'Our pilots have no problem working hard.'


Ours do. An average of 50 hours per month? This when we have flight attendants schedules to 85 and some working more than 120 hours per month.
On a side note, I nonrevved on SW recently to MCO. It was 2 AA FA's, a SW pilot, an AA pilot, and some SW execs. It is standard that we all stay behind and help clean the airplane. Do you know that everyone did but one person? I don't even have to tell you who. The princess AA pilot. I am sorry guys, you are not on my list of favorites right now.
 
AAStew said:
On a side note, I nonrevved on SW recently to MCO. It was 2 AA FA's, a SW pilot, an AA pilot, and some SW execs. It is standard that we all stay behind and help clean the airplane. Do you know that everyone did but one person? I don't even have to tell you who. The princess AA pilot. I am sorry guys, you are not on my list of favorites right now.
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No, it's not "standard". If you wanted to keep a "standard", certain people would respect the offering of FC seating to jumpseaters.

Did you both show the same level of contempt and annoyance toward the other SW cabin cleaners that your group routinely displays to our AA cleaners?

Most of the cleaners I seen at my base have track marks on their uniforms from FA bags. It's probably a good time for me to ask the caterers the most effective anti-venom to have on hand when they service the forward galley. 😀

Merry Xmas
 
Mach85ER said:
No, it's not "standard". If you wanted to keep a "standard", certain people would respect the offering of FC seating to jumpseaters.

Did you both show the same level of contempt and annoyance toward the other SW cabin cleaners that your group routinely displays to our AA cleaners?

Most of the cleaners I seen at my base have track marks on their uniforms from FA bags. It's probably a good time for me to ask the caterers the most effective anti-venom to have on hand when they service the forward galley. 😀

Merry Xmas
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You are such a jackView attachment 3793. Why should you get a FC seat, you were issued a jumpseat. If you want a more comfortable seat, we will gladly give you a coach seat. I will upgrade a nonrev or paying pax before I will upgrade your cheap A**.
Yes helping SW cabin crews clean is a courtesy that is a standard now.
The minute you guys realize that there are other prople in this airline besides your group, oh forget it, that will never happen.
 
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Spare me the indignation. You obviously didn't jump in when the second poster belittled another employee group with the "princess" slur, yet you jump right in with your imagination as I responded.

Probably because I didn't read it. My ADHD carries over to message boards too. 😀

[]Sounds like the animal shelter wouldn't trust you with a kitten anyway. 😛


Probably not. 😉
 
AAStew said:
Said a union official for Southwest`s pilots, 'Our pilots have no problem working hard.'
Ours do. An average of 50 hours per month? This when we have flight attendants schedules to 85 and some working more than 120 hours per month.
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🙄

Are you sure you want to go there?

No doubt there are "some" AA pilot schedules to 85 hours and some pilots flying 120 hours (or whatever FAA maximums may apply) too.

The key is *average,* meaning on a systemwide basis, and most likely not getting credit for training / vacation / sick time / any other non-flying time. If you took all the F/A hours in the schedule, and divide by the total number if F/As, I am sure the number would be surprisingly low. If one F/A flies 100 hours for the month, and another is out sick or on vacation or leave all month, the "average" the two have flown is 50 hours, which doesn't sound like very much even though one actually worked very hard.

It would be interesting to see what the "average" WN F/A flies versus the "average" AA F/A.
 
No absolutely not, pilots legally cannot fly up to 120, as they shouldn't. And with the restructuring agreement they are only guaranteed something like 62 hours. Most are scheduled around that too. If they hit over 85 hours per month, their hours go into a bank of sort, and, or they are removed from a trip.
I am not sure of the wording on the contract, but I think the reasoning behind this was that pilots would not be ablt to fly high time and therefore more pilots would have to be recalled.
I have a few friends who need to pad their schedule every month to fly 85 hours. They do this by bidding for more trips during the HISEP round and picking up from other pilots.
I have no objection to pilots flying a low schedule if they can, but they should agree to higher time (scheduled) months for those who want or need it. And of course it could only help the company.
BTW the flight attendants with their restructuring agreement agreed to higher time (scheduled) months and lower time (guaranteed) reserve months.
 


It would be interesting to see what the "average" WN F/A flies versus the "average" AA F/A.


Bring it on. You would be surprised to find out how many more hours the AA FA works per month vs. every other airline.

Do your homework.

If we weren't working all of that overtime I can guarantee you that AA would have to hire 25-50% more flight attendants than we currently have to cover the schedules.
 
I will check into what the "average" AA FA flies. But I can tell you that it will be way over 50. Our New York flight attendants probably have the highest average. We are usually schedled around 82. But a huge number fly over 120 hours a month. It is the only way they can live in that city and survive. Though some would argue whether they are living in the city or the sky.
 
AC AA LA FA said:
..Nope..He tried...but was DENIED by Pena...
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Nope, the FAA approved a shortened flight attendant training program, completed by quite a few management employees. No Charm Farm components - just the safety basics. Former ModerAAtor would probably have more details.
 
FWAAA said:
Nope, the FAA approved a shortened flight attendant training program, completed by quite a few management employees. No Charm Farm components - just the safety basics. Former ModerAAtor would probably have more details.
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So if one had zero pilot or FA experience, one could meet the bare minimum requirements of one job in a matter of days, while another job could take a couple of years to meet the minimum. (Then again, keeping a few people far away in training might be a good thing 🙄 )
 
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