AMR Files 1133 motion

[TWU informer]

Another interesting point regarding those graphs and charts.

On the surface they seem to show that a merger with USAir would indeed lower cost and reduce losses.

Nothing like filing a legal document and at the same time placing charts and graphs in the courts hands that show a merger might be the best plan.

 

[WorldTraveler]

Another interesting point regarding those graphs and charts.

On the surface they seem to show that a merger with USAir would indeed lower cost and reduce losses.

Nothing like filing a legal document and at the same time placing charts and graphs in the courts hands that show a merger might be the best plan.

except that US wouldn't merge with AA in the shape it is currently in... US would certainly be interested once the cuts are made - and AA employees will be lowered paid than US by that point.

 

[TWU informer]

except that US wouldn't merge with AA in the shape it is currently in... US would certainly be interested once the cuts are made - and AA employees will be lowered paid than US by that point.

Why not?

The charts show that the combined structure would be competetive after overlap removal.

Rape of the AA employees first just creates a situation that United and Delta will have to return to BK C11 to match, to once again rape their employees.

 

[BoeingBoy]

and AA employees will be lowered paid than US by that point.

I can't say for any other group, but the AA pilots will still be better paid than US pilots.

Jim

 

[Birdman]

AA is claiming that they are obligated to do "heavy maintenance" in-house, with over 1200 unprotected title 1. Not all of it.

Then they claim "Because American has by far the oldest fleet among the network carriers, it has more heavy maintenance requirements than its competitors." Not our fault.

Then they claim "The work can be done more timely and more cost-efficiently by FAA-approved maintenance vendors to whom American’s competitors have turned." Prove it.

 

[eolesen]

As a point of reference, I'm told a US 757 FO would get ~25% raise to come up to the AA 757 FO scale. The only mentions I've heard of for pay adjustments were at the top of the scale.

Clearly, if you have to give massive raises to the US and HP guys, the cost advantages which make US profitable today would be wiped out in rather spectacular fashion. Conversely, I just don't see the AA employee stakeholders on the UCC signing off on deals which sees their compensation wiped out even further than it already was in 2003...

 

[southwind]

Why not?

The charts show that the combined structure would be competetive after overlap removal.

Rape of the AA employees first just creates a situation that United and Delta will have to return to BK C11 to match, to once again rape their employees.

I believe you telling yourself this because you hope if you hear it enough, you won't take a paycut ! We're not union at DL, except for pilots, so why would we have to return to BK in order for DL to achieve more paycuts ? Only difference is, we didn't have to pay union dues in order to get those paycuts !

 

[Kev3188]

We're not union at DL, except for pilots

And dispatchers, but of course you knew that, right?

so why would we have to return to BK in order for DL to achieve more paycuts ?

We wouldn't. DL can just take from employees as needed, and I'm sure acolytes like you would just cheer 'em on.

 

[AC AA LA FA]

I believe you telling yourself this because you hope if you hear it enough, you won't take a paycut ! We're not union at DL, except for pilots, so why would we have to return to BK in order for DL to achieve more paycuts ? Only difference is, we didn't have to pay union dues in order to get those paycuts !

This situation, yours at DL is only possible because all the other sharks circling the tank ARE Union...so by proxy you enjoy the CBA's of others in the matrix...Dont kid yourself its of the kindness of their southern hearts.....so you can thank ALL the Legacy's over the years for your working conditions..

 

[TWU informer]

Consulting Firms and Lawyers can make all the charts and graphs they want on comparative cost outs.

The one missing is the chart that measures the employees willingness to work for this airline and help it succeed after this is over. I still believe that is a very important aspect not being considered, and will prove to be key in this case.

I could go mow lawns cheaper than anyone in my township, but if the service sucked and the lawn looks like crap when I am done, I bet my business model would fail.

 

[737823]

And dispatchers, but of course you knew that, right?




We wouldn't. DL can just take from employees as needed, and I'm sure acolytes like you would just cheer 'em on.

Hey Kev, your photo on the left is just like the typical union th**

Josh

 

[eolesen]

Hey Kev, your photo on the left is just like the typical union th**

You wonder why people dismiss you so easily? It's dumb-ass stuff like that.

 

[Kev3188]

Hey Kev, your photo on the left is just like the typical union th**

Josh

Actually, it's a self portrait. 🙄

I noticed you didn't say anything about Southwind's avatar, even though both are of primates. Why would that be?

You wonder why people dismiss you so easily? It's dumb-ass stuff like that.

+1

Didn't he ask what he should do differently a few days ago?

 

[TWU informer]

The 1113c motion redacts most of the important information that I need to support managements plan and begging.

I need to compare my pay/benefit percentages to my peers and management will not allow that.

I wonder why?

 

[olderguyAMT]

AMR FILES MOTION 1133 TODAY Mar 27, 2012

From the filing: The work can be done more timely and more cost-efficiently by
FAA-approved maintenance vendors ...


Did that concept work with Timco?

Can Aeroman in S America take the work?
What other vendors will do it?

I recon those arguments are meaningless now, because the Judge will say yes or no to the whole filing. A big YES is likely.

Looks like the Co. gears will continue to turn in that courtroom, getting all that they want, with the unions being impotent. No amout of Viagra will help them. Big changes are a comming.

Did you read the part about OSM's in the hangar? The Co. is complaining about AMT- only policy in the hangar. OSM to the rescue? That is the company's answer to the mechanic shortage.
Will OSM's get the overtime in lieu of AMT's????? OSM's to lay carpet and clean? The last 450 layed off AMT's will be those OSM's in the hangar? How will it all pan out? CC to become Sgt. at Arms? Time to relive bootcamp? Sweatshops ???? Are we all caught up in a whirlpool of doom and gloom, with the end product being outsourcing and layoffs? What will the hangar look like when the crap hits the fan? How will OSM's deal with a new problem, THE FEDS and BIRD-DOGS at the same time? Buck can you help with this one?