AMT compensation

[High Speed Steel]

Are you honestly so gulible and supportive that you take a proposal and make it reality?
Didn't you notice "no future" dates scheduled? You obvious operate 100% on emotion and zero % on logic.

I bet the company ask for a 30 day cooling off period or at least ask the mediator to grant the previous TWU request.

Then I bet you are emotionally puckered instead of emotionally jubliant.

informer, go sit in the truck....

 

[Birdman]

the companys propsal that the twu list on there website looks reasonable.

My understanding of article 3 from the 2003 contract is as follows. The compAAny has had contract authority to place 1/7th of the base on 5 day schedules working Sun/Thurs, 1/7th of the base working Tues/Sat and 1/7th of the base working Sat/Sun plus 3 more days during the week. That's 3/7th of the base total. They never fully utilized that plan so now they want 1/7th + 1/7th + 4/7ths for a total of 6/7ths of the base. It won't just be AO involved in this plan as it is now, it will be virtually the whole base. I'm wondering how that plan will go over in Tulsa without a weekend premium? I predict a disaster.

 

[TWU informer]

Bob Owens

Why was there no future dates for mediated negotiations set this time?

Still no answer

 

[odie01]

. In fact if we just stopped working OT they are screwed.

The pendulum has swung. We have them.
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Without leadership we have nothing...........posting on airline forum means nothing.......get involved with the AMP drive!

 

[Ken MacTiernan]

You gotta let that go. We will never and our so called union would never fight or make a stand for that. Retro back to 2003 will never happen. You go ahead and spend the rest of your career being miserable and angry and you'll be that way in life to. There are more important things in life than this job. At some point we need to just move on. Of course the company would never take this last offer anyway and the TWU will fold in a second. The only option is when the company turns this down we go 30 days and we shut the company down.

"our so called union would never fight or make a stand for that."

Then get a new union. Sign an AMP Card.

Retro back to 2003 will never happen? with an attitude like thiss you might be correct.

"There are more important things in life than this job."

You are correct. Like respect! Like fighting for what is right!

30 day cooling off period? Not with the twu. It would be 30 days of scrambling to try and save their cushy jobs.

I am glad that at least some of the Local Presidents believe in fighting for the membership! These men will make good AMP officials!

 

[Duke787]

IMO, we had them last May and blew it. They seem to be very defiAAant despite the fact that their planes yields ,productivity, and morale are eroding, while ot costs are skyrocketing. Capitulation is not in their vocabulary and a viable plan to avoid a meltdown is non existent. While we may never know what was in their presentations, their misguided attempts to ram carte blanche 7 day coverage on maintenance bases, if enacted without a weekend premium, will fail.

Ya,,,,,,line mechs want weekend premiums too.

 

[Duke787]

My understanding of article 3 from the 2003 contract is as follows. The compAAny has had contract authority to place 1/7th of the base on 5 day schedules working Sun/Thurs, 1/7th of the base working Tues/Sat and 1/7th of the base working Sat/Sun plus 3 more days during the week. That's 3/7th of the base total. They never fully utilized that plan so now they want 1/7th + 1/7th + 4/7ths for a total of 6/7ths of the base. It won't just be AO involved in this plan as it is now, it will be virtually the whole base. I'm wondering how that plan will go over in Tulsa without a weekend premium? I predict a disaster.

What is AO? I predict if OH gets weekend premium, the line will want it too.

 

[Duke787]

. In fact if we just stopped working OT they are screwed.

The pendulum has swung. We have them.
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Without leadership we have nothing...........posting on airline forum means nothing.......get involved with the AMP drive!
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I would hardly consider Bob Owens a TWU push over. What makes you think AMP can get a better faster deal?

 

[Bob Owens]

Bob Owens

Why was there no future dates for mediated negotiations set this time?

Because it has yet to be determined by the Mediator. We(the union) are agreeable to any day, any time, anywhere but the mediator has other disputes he's assigned to and he hasnt determined when the next session will be.

 

[Bob Owens]

My understanding of article 3 from the 2003 contract is as follows. The compAAny has had contract authority to place 1/7th of the base on 5 day schedules working Sun/Thurs, 1/7th of the base working Tues/Sat and 1/7th of the base working Sat/Sun plus 3 more days during the week. That's 3/7th of the base total. They never fully utilized that plan so now they want 1/7th + 1/7th + 4/7ths for a total of 6/7ths of the base. It won't just be AO involved in this plan as it is now, it will be virtually the whole base. I'm wondering how that plan will go over in Tulsa without a weekend premium? I predict a disaster.

The company claims they can increase the output of the bases by 40% by going to full 7 day coverage like they have on the line.

The problem with their claim is that they dont exploit what they already have. In other words they could increase their output by simply fully staffing all three shifts (30%)and bumping up against the 1/7th (20%? 1/7 th Sat + 1/7Sun).They arent doing either. If they had all three shifts fully staffed and had the maximum number of guys working Sat or Sun and still couldnt reach production goals then they would have a better arguement. They claimed that all the other OH facilities have full 7 day coverage, but I know thats not true because I worked at few months at AAR and we had weekends and holidays off.

I think that the real motive for the "4/7ths rule" is to encourage A&Ps in the bases to go to the line where they are needed. If they have to work weekends and holidays at the bases why not get the extra pay and go to the line? Many people transfered to Tulsa and AFW for two reasons, lower living costs and weekends off for a more normal life.

One of the problems with the 1/7th rule as it is applied now is that if you have AO working on the weekends without the support from the backshops productivity is often impaired due to a lack of parts. Obviously the backshops would have to work the weekends as well.

AA has been contacting schools across the country in order to try and ensure they have a supply of A&Ps. They admitted to at least 7. I think their goal is to try and lure these guys right out of school into Tulsa and get the more more experienced guys out to the line. I think that the company feels that because we are old (over 54% over 50) that they dont have to pay us, we will stay no matter what, so they only have to find a way to attract new workers who they hope will never know what this job is supposed to pay therefore have lower expectations. With the flex rate they can raise the starting pay right up to what we are making.

 

[Birdman]

The company claims they can increase the output of the bases by 40% by going to full 7 day coverage like they have on the line.

Lets see, dock 1D goes to 7 day coverage and turns a 25 day retro in to a 45 day retro. 80% less productive is a far cry from a 40% increase and I will predict the same for any other dock going 7 day coverage against their will.

 

[TIME FOR CHANGE]

I think that the company feels that because we are old (over 54% over 50) that they dont have to pay us

You know the saying
'they pay us just enough not to quit so we do just enough not to get fired" 😉

 

[Interested]

Lets see, dock 1D goes to 7 day coverage and turns a 25 day retro in to a 45 day retro. 80% less productive is a far cry from a 40% increase and I will predict the same for any other dock going 7 day coverage against their will.

Dock 1D was originally set up to be a 7 day mod line. The weekend counted against the schedule which couldn't be used to "catch up". I'm hoping that when Dock 1D starts the C-checks in a few months the manager will put them back on a 5/8 schedule. (One can only hope).

 

[PhatSappy]

$10 per hour line premium will get this deal done. Allow 1500 to retire early with a 5 + 5 and I'll buy my own bass boat.

 

[Duke787]

Lets see, dock 1D goes to 7 day coverage and turns a 25 day retro in to a 45 day retro. 80% less productive is a far cry from a 40% increase and I will predict the same for any other dock going 7 day coverage against their will.

7 day coverage for OH is not a strike issue !!!!!