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APFA 1993 Strike Video

....echos of 1993.....

Please do as you see fit with your business. We do value you as a customer and would ask that you take into consideration our plight when/if a strike occurs.
 
....echos of 1993.....

Please do as you see fit with your business. We do value you as a customer and would ask that you take into consideration our plight when/if a strike occurs.


YOUR PLIGHT ??????? Oh Please !!!! Give me a break. Stop Whining.

BE GLAD THAT YOU HAVE A JOB.

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Sorry, you will just have to forget about your job. If there is even a hint of a strike I will take my Exec Plat, premium-fare-paying butt over to your competitors immediately.

Lots of other people will, too. After that, even if the company wanted to cave in to your demands, where would the money come from?

I'm not saying there's never a circumstance where a strike should happen, but talking publicly about it this early in negotiations will only do harm to the cause.


First of all, the 1993 strike video is being shown because November was the 15th anniversary of the strike. It was not sent out to any media put was placed on our own web site. The only people that would be looking at it are employees. If some airline nerd wants to watch it then so be it. If anything, the video gave a morale boost to its union members and nothing else.

As far as taking your "Exec Plat,premium-fare-paying butt"over to our competitors....that is what a strike is designed to to...bring economic hardship to a company to get them to negotiate. If there is no strike threat then there is no power. The negotiations process does not operate in a vaccuum. The goal on the unions part is that ....WHEN THE TIME COMES...a strike threat will encourage American Airlines to negotiate in good faith so let us come to an agreement!
 
As far as taking your "Exec Plat,premium-fare-paying butt"over to our competitors....that is what a strike is designed to to...bring economic hardship to a company to get them to negotiate. If there is no strike threat then there is no power. The negotiations process does not operate in a vaccuum. The goal on the unions part is that ....WHEN THE TIME COMES...a strike threat will encourage American Airlines to negotiate in good faith so let us come to an agreement!

I'm sorry, but as a fellow dues paying union member I have to say that's the dumbest bit of "logic" I have seen in quite a while. This isn't 1993. If there had been an airline strike during the Great Depression (airlines didn't exist in their current form back then, I know!) what do you think would have happened to that company and its employees?

In a nasty recession, the Exec Plats are the LAST people we want to drive away! I will say it again: stop playing games with my job!
 
In a nasty recession, the Exec Plats are the LAST people we want to drive away!

Sorry, but that's logic that some unionistas don't seem to grasp...

I paid out quite a bit to AA and other oneworld carriers this year. Frankly, if I think there's a chance of AA giving me a summer from hell, I'll suck it up and fly Delta for a year or two.
 
Sorry, but that's logic that some unionistas don't seem to grasp...

I paid out quite a bit to AA and other oneworld carriers this year. Frankly, if I think there's a chance of AA giving me a summer from hell, I'll suck it up and fly Delta for a year or two.

And when Delta has there labor difficulties you'll move on to United. Oops United's having difficulties now, well back to American. Ah the heck with it, take the greyhound? C'mon do you really believe this is just an American issue? This is a USA issue. Erosion of wages and livelihoods. What really amazes me is some of you don't think it can ever get to you. When people can't afford to buy whatever it is you're hawking then I don't think they're going to need you anymore huh?

Proud Flag Waving, Guns Blazing Unionista. :up: Sprechen sie englisch, Parlez vous Anglais?
 
Sorry, but that's logic that some unionistas don't seem to grasp...

I paid out quite a bit to AA and other oneworld carriers this year. Frankly, if I think there's a chance of AA giving me a summer from hell, I'll suck it up and fly Delta for a year or two.
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Unionistas? Try calling us by what we are..working Americans trying to better our lives. Just like I'm sure you try to do at your place of employment. BTW...I don't think there is loyalty to an airline...only loyalty to an awards program.
 
Sorry, but that's logic that some unionistas don't seem to grasp...

I paid out quite a bit to AA and other one world carriers this year. Frankly, if I think there's a chance of AA giving me a summer from hell, I'll suck it up and fly Delta for a year or two.


Unionistas? Try calling us by what we are..working Americans trying to better our lives. Just like I'm sure you try to do at your place of employment. BTW...I don't think there is loyalty to an airline...only loyalty to an awards program.

jersey777, I see from yours and another post that Eric seems to have hit a nerve using the term "unionistas". And also, BTW, some of us were specific airline loyalists long before there were FF award programs.

In the pre-reg days, I was loyal to EA and UA domestic and to TWA and EAL international (and bought a Lifetime Membership in all three Clubs). I switched domestic flying to AA because of both the service, the fleet (I actually like the MDs) and the route structure. AA picked up the international with the purchase of the TWA Europe and EAL SA routes. When AA finally 'took over' TWA, the 200K miles in its program put me over the 2MM AAdvantage miles mark to AA Life Platinum.

But if the union-driven UA "summer from hell' were replicated at AA, my AA status would not stop me from joining Eric, and I know of many others, in switching to OA. I do it now when the route, schedule and price are all in line.

Sure, there are FF mile-addict loyalists who do convoluted routings and make 'Mileage Runs' to accumulate mileage and maintain status; but they are not the paid front cabin and last-minute full-fare-coach pax that are the difference between a full flight and a profitable flight. As a hard..."working American" [Airline employee] (as I am sure you are), you should know and understand, that these are the pax that AA must have to again become and remain profitable.

I'm not anti-union. In my lifetime I've held three union cards: as a musician, stage-hand and taxi driver. In each case, I had to join in order to work (leisure, temp and part-time); and I'm sure I benefited from what these unions had previously done as to pay and working conditions. Had I chosen an to be an AMT, I would have been a loyal unionist[a].

However I chose to pursue an education and career that made me want, and paid off in, the antithesis of unionism: Merit basis for pay and promotion. But I ultimately lost a [non-seniority protected] job - and that led me to be the founder and majority owner of a $5M firm employing another 40 hard working Americans (and green-card immigrants) 'trying to better their lives'.
 
..I hate to say this but....


more echoes of 1993...

The FN have no right to work thru MIA and in the USA. They do not not hold a FAA Certification. As for the furloughed FAs..thats a risk I'm willing to take as I did with the threat of replacement workers in 93....
I would imagine a "smart strike" would be our first move, hence limiting or mitigating any permanent replacements.
 
However I chose to pursue an education and career that made me want, and paid off in, the antithesis of unionism: Merit basis for pay and promotion.





I applaud you for trying to better your life and succeeding. However, lets be real concerning your statement regarding merit pay. Now let us say you are an airline manager and you employ 17,000 flight attendants. Explain to me how you would grade each one to REALLY reflect their performance and pay each one accordingly. Good letters? On-time departures? Smiles per hour?

Also, are green card holders American Citizens?
 
I'm sorry, but as a fellow dues paying union member I have to say that's the dumbest bit of "logic" I have seen in quite a while. This isn't 1993. If there had been an airline strike during the Great Depression (airlines didn't exist in their current form back then, I know!) what do you think would have happened to that company and its employees?

In a nasty recession, the Exec Plats are the LAST people we want to drive away! I will say it again: stop playing games with my job!

Let me preface my post with the fact that no where has any strike threat been made. This topic was started to point out a video remembering the 15th anniversary of the 1993 strike. The topic has swayed to other discussions concerning unions and strikes but once again, it is way too premature to talk about any potential upcoming strike.

With that said....



It's not logic it's fact. What's your logic? "Oh, we can't use our strike option in negotiations because we might drive away customers." That's the whole point!! That's your trump card! A strike threat gets the company's attention. You want to play nicey nice with American Airlines? Your playing with the big boys now and if you don't play smart you will get rolled right over.
 
Let me preface my post with the fact that no where has any strike threat been made. This topic was started to point out a video remembering the 15th anniversary of the 1993 strike. The topic has swayed to other discussions concerning unions and strikes but once again, it is way too premature to talk about any potential upcoming strike.

With that said....



It's not logic it's fact. What's your logic? "Oh, we can't use our strike option in negotiations because we might drive away customers." That's the whole point!! That's your trump card! A strike threat gets the company's attention. You want to play nicey nice with American Airlines? Your playing with the big boys now and if you don't play smart you will get rolled right over.
Very well said.....
Boy American's tactics sure have worked on Frontline... AA has him right where they want him... I guess reading all the company info will have this eftect. Get your head out of the sand and fight .....
 
Very well said.....
Boy American's tactics sure have worked on Frontline... AA has him right where they want him... I guess reading all the company info will have this eftect. Get your head out of the sand and fight .....
This is typical of many company suckups and bootlickers in AA maintenance. The company says boo and they jump, there is no fight in them, they are scared of their own shadow. This is why the twu and the non-leadership we are stuck with will never fight, but cower in fear at every turn. This is the main reason we have been unable to recieve nothing but concessionary twu contracts for the last three decades.

Its sad to think that the flight attendants have more of a pair than most any of the twu non-leaders or their followers. When the twu slogans like the comical "Will Strike if Provoked" toothless strike snake appears, the company has to have tears running down from laughter.

No one wants to strike to be sure, but with the twu, it will never be an option.
 

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