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I bet you will, glad it means so much to you. Please run your mouth and call us scabs when your here bigmouth. LOL.
April/May 2013 Pilot Discussion
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prechilill
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The easties are owed a big debt of gratitude- they voted in a contract and gave the west RIPEness. That you, every single lying cheating one of you. Thank you!!!
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I have one simple question. How did we scab our co-workers job?
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Then show some gratitude ####. LOL
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19 Captain Retirements / 2 First Officer
GuntherA320
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I'm just curious. If this situation is ripe, and If somehow you do manage to get a temporary injunction on May 14th and then at some point in the future If you're able to get a permanent injunction for USAPA to use the Nicolau award, and then If you somehow win on appeal to the 9th circuit and then you finally get APA to negotiate a combined list using the Nicolau award, what changes? When will you be able to bid CLT? The company has no plans to combine East and West....none. They will combine all of us (AA and US) at the same time. Maybe 4th quarter of 2015 if we are lucky? The East has 500+ mandatory retirements between now and then with 99% of them being Captains or Widebody F/O's. No bump, no flush...remember? And being melded into AA, the pool will get even deeper. I don't think any East pilot is afraid of the threat of Nicolau anymore....even If you win.
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The west is owed a lot, thanks for recognizing this- but like the mighty Allied forces following WW2, there will be no war reparations to be had. What we will have is justice and every west pilot will be a group2 captain in 2015. As the attrition continues well into the 2020's it will be the younger, more balanced west pilots taking the big bus captain awards. This is only fair, as the 1999 former furloughed US pilots are hundreds of numbers below Dave O'Dell.
We are merging with a great airline, the waste of US Air will finally be just a foot note in aviation history.
Enjoy the fine weekend, in a little over two weeks we can all have a nice reunion in Phoenix District Court. Ripe
We are merging with a great airline, the waste of US Air will finally be just a foot note in aviation history.
Enjoy the fine weekend, in a little over two weeks we can all have a nice reunion in Phoenix District Court. Ripe
GuntherA320
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Again.....You have a lot of big "IF's" to hurdle over before any of this happens. I've heard some West pilots say, "Justice delayed, is justice denied". Do you think that's true?
With the amount of widebodies on order and the amount of Westies who apparently love PHX, I just don't think many of us are worried anymore. But if I were you, i'd make sure to donate your $10,000 bonus check and the backpay you will get to Leonidas just to make sure. BTW, the younger West pilots you're talking about will be spread out over a much, much bigger system. Much less effect on any former East pilots. As far as being "owed" anything, I think you'll get exactly what you deserve. A large attorney bill and not a lot to show for it.
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That is actually true.
Can't wait to see you explain to the APA every single one of you gets a Captain job at the New American.
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Thank you for the unsolicited advice, I will file it in the same file with usAPA's threat of a DOH seniority lust. Fact is, the "ifs" you are banking on are no longer existent- the ONLY one remaining is the completion of the American merge. I'm not at all worried with this last "if", RIPEness is with us at POR. From there, a combined east: west pilot group. PHX will become just another domicile that you will have the opportunity to bid into with your Nic seniority. And that's how it's going to end my friend.
I hate to burst your bubble, but there isn't a seat in the world that can help your looks.
breeze
Just because you don't like what USAPA states doesn't mean that they are lying. It's all in the perspective. When you only listen to the things you want to hear, you are setting yourself for a fall.
breeze
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Won't have to. The Judicial system will do that for us fairly soon. As far as the Nic is concerned, USCABA and the APA will get a nice hot bowl of STFU.
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glad you set clear straight that all the retirements are from the right seat...
the crux of this argument has always been about why a 17 year guy with 10 years of longevity should have to wait for a new hire to upgrade before him. ... The west arguments sucks and makes no sense on this issue.
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You should have thought of that 5 years ago.
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