April/May 2013 Pilot Discussion

[Walmartgreeter]

[background=rgb(250, 250, 250)]That's about an increase in dues payments of $375,000 per month or $4.5 million per year. that's not skimping...its gouging to pay for legal bills for a failed strategy and a noose being tightened around USAPA's throat by the Addington Group and West Pilot Class.[/background]

You are a true ass. And not even worthy of the West Pilot Class, unless they claim you.

By the way, and never verifiable. The inside joke in the hallway after ALPA got your job back, was that both sides regretted the action. Heard that from the Grievance Vice Chair. Your legacy, other than hair club for men ads in uniform.

Greeter

 

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[background=rgb(250, 250, 250)]I need to clarify a point and then I would like to expound on my initial post in this topic.[/background]

[background=rgb(250, 250, 250)]Now that I think about it there was a membership vote on the authorization to transfer the Furlough Medical assessment to the Merger Committee. I agree with the membership's decision.[/background]

[background=rgb(250, 250, 250)]My real questions are why are our dues and assessments so high? They are skyrocketing. And, why did USAPA's founding fathers tell us over 5 years ago during the NMB representation election we would have the lowest dues in the industry only to have us pay the highest dues/assessments in the industry?[/background]

[background=rgb(250, 250, 250)]For discussion purposes let's say our 5,000 pilots pay on average an additional $75 per month in dues. That's about an increase in dues payments of $375,000 per month or $4.5 million per year. that's not skimping...its gouging to pay for legal bills for a failed strategy and a noose being tightened around USAPA's throat by the Addington Group and West Pilot Class.[/background]

[background=rgb(250, 250, 250)]Therefore, let me ask the salient question again. Where is all this money going with USAPA's annual dues receipts growing by about 30 percent? [/background]

[background=rgb(250, 250, 250)]In my opinion, USAPA's spending is too much and the pilot group continues to be punished by our collective bargaining agent's financial decisions. When will this change? I don't believe it's remotely even to think USAPA's handling of money and calling for fiscal restraint is skimping. USAPA has had the highest dues and assessments in the industry for 5 years and now they're going even higher. And, to suggest ALPA had a problem with spending. Who are the founding fathers think their kidding? [/background]

Opinion noted...and flushed.

 

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• Case 2:13-cv-00471-PGR Document 34 Filed 04/08/13 Page 6
  
  
  
  III. Conclusion​
  Plaintiffs satisfy the procedural requirements for entry of default set out in Fed. R.Civ. P. 55((2). In addition, the seven Eitel factors weigh strongly in favor of granting the relief sought here. Plaintiffs, therefore, respectfully ask this Court to enter default judgment against USAPA, issuing an injunction requiring USAPA to conduct seniority integration in the American – US Airways merger using the seniority order in the Nicolau Award list to order the US Airways pilots. A proposed form of order is attached.​
  
  
  Dated this 8th day of April, 2013.​
  POLSINELLI SHUGHART, PC​
  /s/ Andrew S. Jacob​
  By _______________________________​
  Marty Harper​
  Andrew S. Jacob​
  Jennifer Axel​
  Attorneys for Plaintiffs

You won! You WON! Ohmygawd....you won!

http://leonidas.cactuspilots.us/West_Pilot_DFR_DJ/Doc_37_Order.pdf

 

[flyer63]

[background=rgb(250, 250, 250)]I need to clarify a point and then I would like to expound on my initial post in this topic.[/background]

[background=rgb(250, 250, 250)]Now that I think about it there was a membership vote on the authorization to transfer the Furlough Medical assessment to the Merger Committee. I agree with the membership's decision.[/background]

[background=rgb(250, 250, 250)]My real questions are why are our dues and assessments so high? They are skyrocketing. And, why did USAPA's founding fathers tell us over 5 years ago during the NMB representation election we would have the lowest dues in the industry only to have us pay the highest dues/assessments in the industry?[/background]

[background=rgb(250, 250, 250)]For discussion purposes let's say our 5,000 pilots pay on average an additional $75 per month in dues. That's about an increase in dues payments of $375,000 per month or $4.5 million per year. that's not skimping...its gouging to pay for legal bills for a failed strategy and a noose being tightened around USAPA's throat by the Addington Group and West Pilot Class.[/background]

[background=rgb(250, 250, 250)]Therefore, let me ask the salient question again. Where is all this money going with USAPA's annual dues receipts growing by about 30 percent? [/background]

[background=rgb(250, 250, 250)]In my opinion, USAPA's spending is too much and the pilot group continues to be punished by our collective bargaining agent's financial decisions. When will this change? I don't believe it's remotely even to think USAPA's handling of money and calling for fiscal restraint is skimping. USAPA has had the highest dues and assessments in the industry for 5 years and now they're going even higher. And, to suggest ALPA had a problem with spending. Who are the founding fathers think their kidding? [/background]

Why don't you not pay and they will fire you?

Best money spent.

 

[cactusboy53]

First of all, congrats to the West pilots on your ERP payout. Even tho it is not much, it is cash in your pocket. And it is brought to you via USAPA......

breeze

Actually it is the product of one tireless PHX based pilot volunteer. IN FACT, Lil' Mikey Cleary couldn't be "bothered" with this during his administration.

The small payout is due to our contract that we negotiated with the company via ALPA. USAPA had NOTHING to do with the ERP payout, with the exception of the support of Gary Hummel & the majority of the BPR for that person's committee nomination.

I will agree with one point you made: This will conclude very soon. 5000+ pilot opinions (maybe a dozen or so board certified lawyers) = 5000+ opinions on how / what is in transcript contents. Hail Mary? Nah (IMHO). Another USAPA triumphant victory..if you say so. Just an attempt at a forward pass. A chess piece moved forward. We will see shortly.

Happy Trails.
CB

 

[Claxon]

You won! You WON! Ohmygawd....you won!

http://leonidas.cact...oc_37_Order.pdf

28J Jacobs, aka, Koontz and Vasin, interns, spanked by the upper courts again. Everytime youse guys get up to the point where you have to deal with those you do not golf with, you hit a brick wall.

 

[Graceson]

dca319, on 22 February 2013 - 07:39 PM, said:

According to AoL it has. We'll found out relatively quickly.


Repost of My Reply:

Caution is advised, though, to let the process play out to a comprehensive conclusion. The risk is that harm is claimed before compelling argument. "It's not the Nic" may not, on its own merit, be compelling. And in fact it might exhaust the court's patience if lacking in foundation. Worse, it will add negative prejudice to a cause already established in a negative trend of frivolous legal initiatives. Patience is strength and leverage.

 

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Actually it is the product of one tireless PHX based pilot volunteer. IN FACT, Lil' Mikey Cleary couldn't be "bothered" with this during his administration.

The small payout is due to our contract that we negotiated with the company via ALPA. USAPA had NOTHING to do with the ERP payout, with the exception of the support of Gary Hummel & the majority of the BPR for that person's committee nomination.

I will agree with one point you made: This will conclude very soon. 5000+ pilot opinions (maybe a dozen or so board certified lawyers) = 5000+ opinions on how / what is in transcript contents. Hail Mary? Nah (IMHO). Another USAPA triumphant victory..if you say so. Just an attempt at a forward pass. A chess piece moved forward. We will see shortly.

Happy Trails.
CB

Shortly, huh. Addington I (include appeal): 4 Sept 2008 to 16 Dec 2010 = over two years, 2 years, three months and 12 days. US Airways DJ (including appeal): 26 Jul 2010 to 5 Mar 2013 = 2 years, 7 months, 9 days and counting. Addington II: 6 March 2013 to ?????. Now, based on the last two LOSSES by AwFOL, how long will it take for them to lose AGAIN??? Keep tilting at the windmills, Dave.

 

[Phoenix]

IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that all future documents filed in this action
must be captioned according to the party capitalization requirement of LRCiv
7.1(a)(3) (“Party names must be capitalized using proper upper and lower case

You guys have boat loads of integrity but not a thimble of attention to detail.

 

[Claxon]

You guys have boat loads of integrity but not a thimble of attention to detail.

Resident Polygraph Judicata, Mitch Vaselino, Fergie and Koontz prints all over it.
The Leonidas brain trust hasn't the foggiest notion of RLA affairs.

 

[Walmartgreeter]

Shortly, huh. Addington I (include appeal): 4 Sept 2008 to 16 Dec 2010 = over two years, 2 years, three months and 12 days. US Airways DJ (including appeal): 26 Jul 2010 to 5 Mar 2013 = 2 years, 7 months, 9 days and counting. Addington II: 6 March 2013 to ?????. Now, based on the last two LOSSES by AwFOL, how long will it take for them to lose AGAIN??? Keep tilting at the windmills, Dave.

This latest folly will end a lot quicker. The minute the POR takes place, we will have a new transition agreement. And even Judge Lane has told them "no" you will not delay this merger. Marty sends hate letters to the MOU parties saying he will do just that, then ends up in front of Lane. Now this embarassing filing in AZ. I actually think some of the West pilots must be writing the compaints to save money.

Greeter

 

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I'm venturing a guess here but it looks like Marty and Andy is fielding the third stringers now with Addington II. AwFOL is the only "party" driving the lawsuit and Ms. Axel is getting all "wrapped up around" the AwFOL "Axle". Spend less money and/or minimize their damages after giving the West pilots "advice" along with AwFOL to vote FOR the MOU to try to expedite ripeness. What a waste of time and effort. Here is the list of Managers/Members that continue to "enflame" and disenfranchise the rank and file. Attached is the "list" of corporate officers and members of AwFOL...you can't get it at the Cactuspilot.com website because they won't post it. Cowards. SYIC.

 

[Bill Brasky]

Looks like more downsizing coming for PHX.....

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/american-adding-flights-los-angeles-153725265.html

 

[nycbusdriver]

[background=rgb(250, 250, 250)]I need to clarify a point and then I would like to expound on my initial post in this topic.[/background]

[background=rgb(250, 250, 250)]Now that I think about it there was a membership vote on the authorization to transfer the Furlough Medical assessment to the Merger Committee. I agree with the membership's decision.[/background]

[background=rgb(250, 250, 250)]My real questions are why are our dues and assessments so high? They are skyrocketing. And, why did USAPA's founding fathers tell us over 5 years ago during the NMB representation election we would have the lowest dues in the industry only to have us pay the highest dues/assessments in the industry?[/background]

[background=rgb(250, 250, 250)]For discussion purposes let's say our 5,000 pilots pay on average an additional $75 per month in dues. That's about an increase in dues payments of $375,000 per month or $4.5 million per year. that's not skimping...its gouging to pay for legal bills for a failed strategy and a noose being tightened around USAPA's throat by the Addington Group and West Pilot Class.[/background]

[background=rgb(250, 250, 250)]Therefore, let me ask the salient question again. Where is all this money going with USAPA's annual dues receipts growing by about 30 percent? [/background]

[background=rgb(250, 250, 250)]In my opinion, USAPA's spending is too much and the pilot group continues to be punished by our collective bargaining agent's financial decisions. When will this change? I don't believe it's remotely even to think USAPA's handling of money and calling for fiscal restraint is skimping. USAPA has had the highest dues and assessments in the industry for 5 years and now they're going even higher. And, to suggest ALPA had a problem with spending. Who are the founding fathers think their kidding? [/background]

Skyrocketing? YHGTBSM! One increase in the 5 years since its founding is hardly "skyrocketing." Besides, it was clearly stated why the increase was necessary, and I totally agree with that reason. It will be best to have our coffers full when we go into negotiations with APA on SLI.

Increasing the dues was the only way to get agency payers, and even those westie MIGS who know that not paying assessments won't get you fired, to ante up.

Why don't you not pay and they will fire you?

Best money spent.

Yeah, Chip! That's the ticket. Just don't pay it. At least then, the whining might stop.

 

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USAPA Update on Addington II
Details
Created on Wednesday, 10 April 2013 11:20
On April 8, the plaintiffs in Addington II filed a motion claiming that USAPA was “in default” and that a judgment should be entered against USAPA granting the relief requested by the Plaintiffs, namely that the Nicolau List must be implemented. Addington II is the most recent attempt by several former America West pilots (the “Addington plaintiffs&rdquo😉 to resurrect claims about the Nicolau List that were denied by Judge Silver late last year.
Yesterday (April 9), only a day after the request was filed, and even before USAPA was required to respond to the request, Senior Judge Rosenblatt of the United States District Court in Phoenix “summarily” denied the attempt by Plaintiffs to short-circuit the normal procedure and avoid consideration of the merits of their claims. Click here to read the Court's Order.
Judge Rosenblatt denied the request for two reasons. First, he noted that “the motion is procedurally defective” because the Addington plaintiffs had “inexplicably failed to follow” the established procedure for obtaining a default judgment. Second, he found “the motion is improper because the Court concludes that USAPA is not in any case currently in default.” Additionally, he explained that USAPA had filed a motion on March 22 seeking an extension of time to answer or otherwise respond to the complaint, and that the “timely filing of that motion” delays any requirement for USAPA to respond to the complaint until the Court rules on the request for additional time.
Judge Rosenblatt’s decision on these points is consistent with the legal analysis of our lawyers which was based on the applicable rules and well established precedent. Our lawyers indicated immediately that the request by plaintiffs, suggesting that USAPA did not adequately defend itself, was a “stunt” that was completely without merit. Our counsel was preparing to oppose the request when the Court’s Order was issued, making that unnecessary.
The Court’s Order also granted USAPA’s motion for an extension of time to respond to the complaint in Addington II, which alleges that USAPA violated its DFR by negotiating and signing the MOU. USAPA’s answer is due on April 22. US Airways has already filed a motion to dismiss the complaint. USAPA plans to file its own motion to dismiss the complaint on multiple grounds.
We will continue to keep you informed as the case proceeds.
USAPA Communications