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The merger policy was career expectations. They were stapled because, they were, wait for it, wait for it..........FURLOUGHED.

Alex, I'd like pilots stuck in the past, that can't read for $500 please.

Bean

Furloughed does not mean fired.

They did indeed have career expectations, and rightly so. They came back, and some are captains nows.

Should we assume that the west furloughees have no career expectations, and treat them accordingly?
 
Respectfully submitted,
/s/ Daniel M. Katz
Daniel M. Katz
Gregory R. Shoemaker
Grant E. Mulkey
Katz & Ranzman, P.C.
4530 Wisconsin Avenue, N.W., Suite 250
Washington, D.C. 20016
(202) 659-4656
Counsel for the Continental Pilots’ Merger Committee
Dated: April 11, 2013

Jeffrey R. Freund
Roger Pollak
Osvaldo Vazquez
Bredhoff & Kaiser, P.L.L.C.
805 15th Street, NW, Suite 1000
Washington, DC 20005
Telephone: (202) 842-2600
Facsimile: (202) 842-1888
Email: jfreund@bredhoff.com
Counsel for the United Air Lines
Merger Committee
Dated: April 11, 2013

Same legal trash that handled the US Airways awa list. They will do what alpa tells them to do.
 
What exactly did the in ninth rule?

Not ripe.

That does not end it. This case if not now ripe will be ripe. Everyone that has looked at the merits have said usapa is wrong.

Yogi, that "block heading" (your words) problem, you want to own up?
 
What exactly did the in ninth rule?

Not ripe.

That does not end it. This case if not now ripe will be ripe. Everyone that has looked at the merits have said usapa is wrong.
The Ninth ruled that Wake was WRONG. It takes more than a few games of golf with some westies to cash a lottery ticket.

Threw it out. Gone, never to be cited in a court case again.

Oh, and RIPE doesn't even come close to meaning that you'll win. But it doesn't matter, since you guys voted by 98% to let the merger committees (or M/B) decide the SLI.
 
U·S AIRWAYS
4000 E. Sky Harbor Blvd.
Phoenix, AZ 85034

September 26, 2008

Captain John McIlvenna

Phoenix, Arizona 85044

Re: Transition Agreement Grievance

Dear Captain McIlvenna:

This will respond to the grievance dated July 30, 2008, regarding your downgrade to a First Officer position while East pilots junior to you on the seniority list issued by Arbitrator George Nicolau pursuant to the ALPA merger policy continue to hold Captain positions. Because the underlying claims you have asserted arise under the terms of the Transition Agreement that was reached with ALPA on September 23, 2005, please be advised that the Company and USAPA have agreed to process your grievance in accordance with the procedures set forth in Section X of the Transition Agreement.

Although, by its terms, the Transition Agreement provides for the submission of issues for resolution by the "parties" to that Agreement (i.e., the airline(s) and the
union), the Company and USAPA have agreed, on a non-precedential, non-referable basis, to allow your grievance to proceed through the dispute resolution processes of the Transition Agreement.

In your grievance, you contend that the Company and ALPA suspended negotiations over the terms of a single agreement covering the East and the West pilots in June 2007, and that such negotiations did not resume for at least twelve (12) months after the issuance of the seniority integration award issued by Arbitrator Nicolau on May 1, 2007.

According to your grievance, the Company was therefore obligated to commence Operational Pilot Integration under Section VI of the Transition Agreement by implementing Arbitrator Nicolau's award no later than May 1, 2008, twelve months after that award was issued. You believe that, under the Nicolau award, your position on the combined seniority list would allow you to retain your present Captain position, and you would not have to be downgraded to a First Officer job.

The Company disagrees both with your recitation of the facts involved in this dispute and with your interpretation of the terms of the Transition Agreement. Negotiations over the terms of a single agreement were never suspended by the Association or the Company, and, in any event, there is no requirement set forth in the Transition Agreement that the Nicolau award be implemented or that operational integration occurs because of a hiatus in such negotiations.

Accordingly, your grievance is denied.

Should you disagree with this decision, you may refer this matter to a Board of Adjustment in accordance with the terms of Section X of the Transition Agreement. You should coordinate the process for referring the case to the Adjustment Board with your certified bargaining representative, USAPA.

Beth Holdren-
Managing Director Labor Relations, Flight

Cc: Captain Ed Bular, Senior Vice President Flight Operations/lnflight
Captain Lyle Hogg, Vice President Flight Operations
Mike Finn, Director Crew Planning
Linda Malone, Manager Employee/Labor Relations
Tracy Parrella, USAPA Rep
 
U·S AIRWAYS
4000 E. Sky Harbor Blvd.
Phoenix, AZ 85034

September 26, 2008

Captain John McIlvenna

Phoenix, Arizona 85044

Re: Transition Agreement Grievance

Dear Captain McIlvenna:

This will respond to the grievance dated July 30, 2008, regarding your downgrade to a First Officer position while East pilots junior to you on the seniority list issued by Arbitrator George Nicolau pursuant to the ALPA merger policy continue to hold Captain positions. Because the underlying claims you have asserted arise under the terms of the Transition Agreement that was reached with ALPA on September 23, 2005, please be advised that the Company and USAPA have agreed to process your grievance in accordance with the procedures set forth in Section X of the Transition Agreement.

Although, by its terms, the Transition Agreement provides for the submission of issues for resolution by the "parties" to that Agreement (i.e., the airline(s) and the
union), the Company and USAPA have agreed, on a non-precedential, non-referable basis, to allow your grievance to proceed through the dispute resolution processes of the Transition Agreement.

In your grievance, you contend that the Company and ALPA suspended negotiations over the terms of a single agreement covering the East and the West pilots in June 2007, and that such negotiations did not resume for at least twelve (12) months after the issuance of the seniority integration award issued by Arbitrator Nicolau on May 1, 2007.

According to your grievance, the Company was therefore obligated to commence Operational Pilot Integration under Section VI of the Transition Agreement by implementing Arbitrator Nicolau's award no later than May 1, 2008, twelve months after that award was issued. You believe that, under the Nicolau award, your position on the combined seniority list would allow you to retain your present Captain position, and you would not have to be downgraded to a First Officer job.

The Company disagrees both with your recitation of the facts involved in this dispute and with your interpretation of the terms of the Transition Agreement. Negotiations over the terms of a single agreement were never suspended by the Association or the Company, and, in any event, there is no requirement set forth in the Transition Agreement that the Nicolau award be implemented or that operational integration occurs because of a hiatus in such negotiations.

Accordingly, your grievance is denied.

Should you disagree with this decision, you may refer this matter to a Board of Adjustment in accordance with the terms of Section X of the Transition Agreement. You should coordinate the process for referring the case to the Adjustment Board with your certified bargaining representative, USAPA.

Beth Holdren-
Managing Director Labor Relations, Flight

Cc: Captain Ed Bular, Senior Vice President Flight Operations/lnflight
Captain Lyle Hogg, Vice President Flight Operations
Mike Finn, Director Crew Planning
Linda Malone, Manager Employee/Labor Relations
Tracy Parrella, USAPA Rep

The above is the quintessential angry f/o. How existential!

Your witness.
 
Yogi, that "block heading" (your words) problem, you want to own up?
If you really need me to embarrass you, fine. The west filing matches the court order. It is the usapa filing that does not use lower case or even a complete name.

Time to shut your mouth when you are wrong fool.

IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that all future documents filed in this action must be captioned according to the party capitalization requirement of LRCiv 7.1(a)(3) (“Party names must be capitalized using proper upper and lower case type.&rdquo😉

West filing
Don Addington; et al.,
Plaintiffs,
vs.
US Airline Pilots Ass’n, et al.,
Defendants.


Court Order

Don Addington, et al.,
Plaintiffs,
vs.
US Airline Pilots Ass’n, et al.
Defendants.


Usapa filing
ADDINGTON et. al.,
Plaintiffs,
v.
US AIRLINE PILOTS ASS’N, et. al,
Defendants.
 
The Honorable Judge Rosenblatt quote below;

"IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that all future documents filed in this action must be captioned according to the party capitalization requirement of LRCiv

7.1(a)(3) (“Party names must be capitalized using proper upper and lower case"



28J Jacobs, April 8th

CityScape
One East Washington St., Suite 1200
Phoenix, AZ 85004
Phone: (602) 650-2000
Fax: (602) 264-7033
Attorneys for Plaintiffs
IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
FOR THE DISTRICT OF ARIZONA
Don ADDINGTON; et al.,
Plaintiffs,
vs.
US AIRLINE PILOTS ASS’N, et al.,
Defendants.
CASE NO. 2:13-CV-00471-PGR
Declaration of Andrew Jacob
I,

The Judge April 9th

Don Addington, et al.,
Plaintiffs,
vs.
US Airline Pilots Ass’n, et al.
Defendants.
)))))))))))
No. CV-13-00471-PHX-PGR
ORDER
Pending before the Court is Plaintiffs’ Motion for Entry of Default Judgment
by the Court Pursuant to Rule 55( B)(2), filed April 8, 2013, wherein the plaintiffs

28J Jacobs and Marty April 10, after the spanking for the
"inexplicable" motion

Marty Harper (#003416)
mharper@polsinelli.com
Andrew S. Jacob (#22516)
ajacob@polsinelli.com
Jennifer Axel (#023883)
jaxel@polsinelli.com
POLSINELLI SHUGHART, P.C.
CityScape
One East Washington St., Suite 1200
Phoenix, AZ 85004
Phone: (602) 650-2000
Fax: (602) 264-7033
Attorneys for Plaintiffs
IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
FOR THE DISTRICT OF ARIZONA
Don Addington; et al.,
Plaintiffs,
vs.
US Airline Pilots Ass’n, et al.,
Defendants.
Case No. 2:13-CV-00471-PGR
Reply On Motion To Transfer Case To
Judge Wake Or Judge Silver
 
If you really need me to embarrass you, fine. The west filing matches the court order. It is the usapa filing that does not use lower case or even a complete name.

Time to shut your mouth when you are wrong fool.



West filing



Court Order




Usapa filing

Try to take a little off the billing from your inexplicable attorney's, you deserve it.

http://leonidas.cact..._Harper_ExA.pdf
 
If you really need me to embarrass you, fine. The west filing matches the court order. It is the usapa filing that does not use lower case or even a complete name.

Time to shut your mouth when you are wrong fool.
That's another LIE. I just looked them up. The one you listed as the "west" filing is, in fact, the court order. You REALLY do lie a lot.

Get over yourself. As a lawyer, you're incompetent.

By the way, you only embarrassed yourself, again.
 
Why are there 40 plus pilots furloughed on the west with no hiring in sight, yet the east is hiring 100's of pilots? Why are 25 percent of your routes former East routes? The only thing that you brought to the merger is Mr. Parker.

A 98.6 temperature and a seat at the west's last vestige of a new hire class you attended does not save an airline. Enjoy the PHX pilot base before it closes.
Furloughed does not mean fired.

They did indeed have career expectations, and rightly so. They came back, and some are captains nows.

Should we assume that the west furloughees have no career expectations, and treat them accordingly?

It is career expectations at the time of merger. It's independent of the merger, hence the maintain career expectations part. I'm afraid pilots that are furloughed from a soon to liquidate company do not have career expectations.

Bean
 
It is career expectations at the time of merger. It's independent of the merger, hence the maintain career expectations part. I'm afraid pilots that are furloughed from a soon to liquidate company do not have career expectations.

Bean
If the furloughed pilot had no career expectation, then neither did Lyle Hogg, nor any other east pilot. Snapshot, what do you see, 3 lists, and far more career expectations in the east do to attrition. The longer it is separate, the more correct it becomes. Protect PHX with a fence and DOH!
 
That's another LIE. I just looked them up. The one you listed as the "west" filing is, in fact, the court order. You REALLY do lie a lot.

Get over yourself. As a lawyer, you're incompetent.

By the way, you only embarrassed yourself, again.

Did you also look at the west filing?
Don ADDINGTON; et al.,

Plaintiffs,
vs.
US AIRLINE PILOTS ASS’N, et al.,

Defendants.

Copied from document 11-1 Harper declaration. Look it up.

Yes the west heading and the court order match. I did not lie. They match because the west did it correctly. Usapa was wrong. Can you east pilots never admit a single mistake?

Karmais a #### and you east guys are about to get beat down.

Now admit you were wrong and I did not lie.
 
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