April/May 2013 Pilot Discussion

[traderjake]

Somehow...that's just not my idea of "successfully completed".

It's your idea that making a Reserve F/O senior to a Captain on the same airplane is fair.

LIke I said, everyone has the right to be wrong.

There's a difference between an arbitration and an integration.

An arbitration is a subset of an integration.

Some integrations don't include arbitration.

 

[Claxon]

The facts were USAirways in 2005 was weeks away from.iquidation.

Parker did not spouting off about a possible bankruptcy for AWA until 2008.

Big difference between definite liquidation and a possible BK filing 3 years after the merger date.

http://www.pwc.com/us/en/alumni/keyword/vol6/re-routed.jhtml

 

[prechilill]

It's your idea that making a Reserve F/O senior to a Captain on the same airplane is fair.

LIke I said, everyone has the right to be wrong.

There's a difference between an arbitration and an integration.

An arbitration is a subset of an integration.

Some integrations don't include arbitration.

Well said. Our arbitration is complete, usAPA has stalled the pilot integration. The APA will ensure its finished in short order.

 

[end_of_alpa]

It's your idea that making a Reserve F/O senior to a Captain on the same airplane is fair.

LIke I said, everyone has the right to be wrong.

There's a difference between an arbitration and an integration.

An arbitration is a subset of an integration.

Some integrations don't include arbitration.

It's not Captains vs. FO, it's pilots. So as a Captan I'm senior to you, Dan. You should have bid it when had the opportunity.

 

[traderjake]

It's not Captains vs. FO, it's pilots. So as a Captan I'm senior to you, Dan. You should have bid it when had the opportunity.

You're senior to me only if we fly together, otherwise I'm senior to you.

You'll have to go though Airbus initial because I'm not flying the 400.

Are you saying we've seen the last permanent bid?

 

[EastUS1]

end_of_alpa, on 18 April 2013 - 06:02 AM, said: It's not Captains vs. FO, it's pilots. So as a Captan I'm senior to you, Dan. You should have bid it when had the opportunity.

Only if we fly together, otherwise I'm senior to you.

Hey!...Wait just a minute here trader! You're a huge supporter of whatever's currently trendy in arbitration/integration, aren't you?...and work years/LOS be damned, right? What about the CAL bunch, now wanting to slot captains with captains and FO's with FO's? If their wish is granted there, then a new fashion designer's latest collection comes into play, doesn't it? You wouldn't want to be caught dead in the last four seasons runway apparel, now would you? 😉 How dare you now assert yourself to be senior to any CO anywhere then!? After all: Isn't "seniority" supposed to just be based on whatever the latest and most fashionable fad is? Make up your mind here! 🙂

 

[end_of_alpa]

You're senior to me only if we fly together, otherwise I'm senior to you.

You'll have to go though Airbus initial because I'm not flying the 400.

Are you saying we've seen the last permanent bid?

I'm saying "you are what you eat". And it would be Airbus requal because I've been Captain on the Airbus more than you have been as a F/O. Keep tilting at your windmills Dan. Oh, the legal definition of seniority still remains the same in US Courts, FYI.

 

[end_of_alpa]

end_of_alpa, on 18 April 2013 - 06:02 AM, said: It's not Captains vs. FO, it's pilots. So as a Captan I'm senior to you, Dan. You should have bid it when had the opportunity.



Hey!...Wait just a minute here trader! You're a huge supporter of whatever's currently trendy in arbitration/integration, aren't you? What about the CAL bunch wanting to slot captains with captains and FO's with FO's? If their wish is granted there then a new fashion designer's latest collection comes into play, doesn't it? You wouldn't want to be caught dead in the last four seasons runway apparal, would you? 😉 How dare you now assert yourself to be senior to any CO then! After all: Isn't "seniority" supposed to just be based on whatever the latest and most fashionable fad is? Make up your mind here! 🙂

Remember, Dan's idea of seniority is, well, Dan's idea. Being on the Airbus too long, he may want to coin the term "flex seniority". Go figure. Flex. Dan says, "flex set....Captain"!

 

[traderjake]

One day worthless paper may morph into a value of historic artifact.

It happened to the USAirways pilot seniority list on May 19 2005..

 

[EastUS1]

Phoenix, on 17 April 2013 - 10:54 PM, said: One day worthless paper may morph into a value of historic artifact.

It happened to the USAirways pilot seniority list on May 19 2005..

Oh...I dunno' so much 'bout that. The nic's made Confederate Bonds look like "relatively" excellent investments to date, while I can find no evident reduction in value with the USAirways list. 🙂

Given your deep and profound affection for trendy and most currently fashionable integrations though, and assuming the CAL bunch gets their way; it's clear that nic got it all wrong, and you should now be looking forward to becoming instantly junior to the lowest time worked west captain...as well as all on the 190 out east, or in left seats anywhere, of course......No? I mean..we couldn't/wouldn't dare want to go against any contemporary trends...Right? Get with the latest in fashion statements here jake! "You could really be a Beau Brummel baby if you just give it half a chance" but "it's the next phase, new wave dance craze, anyways"...and well..."it's still rock and roll to me." 🙂

 

[prechilill]

It's not Captains vs. FO, it's pilots. So as a Captan I'm senior to you, Dan. You should have bid it when had the opportunity.

And I'm senior to you! 🙂

 

[EastUS1]

end_of_alpa, on 18 April 2013 - 06:02 AM, said:
It's not Captains vs. FO, it's pilots. So as a Captan I'm senior to you, Dan. You should have bid it when had the opportunity.

And I'm senior to you! 🙂

Sure you are sweetie...sure you are. It's sometimes useful to sharply bring a patient who's suffering in a delusional state back into harsh reality. Show him what's what and who's who here!...Bid the position your "seniority" actually holds! 😉

 

[traderjake]

And it would be Airbus requal because I've been Captain on the Airbus more than you have been as a F/O.

Sure you have, I've been on the Airbus since 2002, did the initial as a Captain.

How long were you an Airbus Captain?

 

[nycbusdriver]

Speaking of clueless, you do realize that transferring all Intl flying to AA is just a step to get it all on the proper certificate since we will be AA in the future.....no change in ops, right?
breeze

MOU specifies the division of flying between US and AA pilots. As you say, AA will eventually hold all the route authority anyway.

 

[traderjake]

Remember, Dan's idea of seniority is, well, Dan's idea.

Wrong.

It's also the idea of the arbiters of the last four pilot seniority arbitrations.

Good luck in court and the next arbitration, you're going to need it.