April/May 2013 Pilot Discussion

[Claxon]

It is clear and direct that Cap G went from mesa beech 1900 to awa in two years.

As to your legal misunderstanding, as Mr Kirby told him in the latest crew news "NO!"

http://www.pwc.com/u...re-routed.jhtml

 

[Res Judicata]

9th circuit and USAPA laughed last.

You're STILL on loa93! The company laughed ladt

 

[Walmartgreeter]

Now, I'm not saying it's fair, but since there has already been an arbitration (that hasn't been proven void), it really doesn't matter one bit what you and I think is fair. The fact is, I don't see how you'll be able to get anything better than the Nic when this is over and done with. Maybe I'll be proven wrong, but I just don't see it.

Bean

Bean, whether we do better or not is a function of the upcoming M/B process, not the failed one we left behind. None of us really know the outcome, but I have made some educated guesses here before. I will spare you those tonight.

I guess we can agree to disagree on what "proven void" means. I believe a court telling us we do NOT have to use the NIC is in realty a death sentence to that bargaining position, and the union process that spawned it.

Our merger was announced 8 years ago next month, and the NIC came out 6 years ago. Without a dismissal, or even an actual DFR trial that goes to the Ninth either way, we are still years away from a resolution of our issues. Unless of course we all vote on a new process to replace the old one, and "void" LOA 96. We just did exactly that, effective on the date of the POR.

Good night,

Greeter

 

[Claxon]

You're STILL on loa93! The company laughed ladt

As far as the latest company "ladt" laugh read the MOU.

 

[mrbreeze]

A: We already put a new hire in front of your 17 year pilot that was too stupid to realize he was on a sinking ship

B: it isn't now, or ever was, up to you to decide anything.

Pardon me, but please review Claxon's posts 1435/1436, which is the testimony of Cpt Brucia in the USair/AWA SLI situation.

We do have a say about this injustice and that is what it is all about. We have stood up against this bull crap WINDFALL!

Your only option is to sit there and whine, junior!

breeze

 

[Claxon]

MR. SIEGEL: Your Honor, with all respect, on this
1 subject, it's yes or no. We're not sitting here bargaining a
2 pay rate or a pension plan.
3 THE COURT: Or a lifetime tenure.
4 MR. SIEGEL: Or lifetime tenure. What we are
5 bargaining is Nicolau list or something else, and what we have 02:36:12
6 been told by the union is it has to be something else. They
7 refer to it as a date hire list with conditions. But that is
8 what they say, it has to be something else.
9 The letters, the West Pilots write letters that say
10 it has to be Nicolau because it was final and binding and 02:36:32
11 everybody, East and West, agreed to final and binding. We have
12 a zero sum gain. We're caught in the middle. We have nothing
13 to negotiate about. We either have to say yes or no to the
14 union's demand and we are at the bargaining table and that is
15 what we are faced with. 02:36:53
16 The reason we filed for declaratory relief is because
17 we have no guidance as to what is legal or not. But we know it
18 is either Nicolau or non-Nicolau and we have to -- we are
19 trying to get legal clarification of our rights and
20 obligations.

"Pursuant to the Court’s resolution of the motions for summary judgment,
IT IS ORDERED Counts I and III of the complaint are dismissed and judgment is
entered in favor of US Airline Pilots Association on Count II of the complaint. US Airline
Pilots Association’s seniority proposal does not breach its duty of fair representation
provided it is supported by a legitimate union purpose.
DATED this 11th day of October, 2012."

Judge Silver

 

[Claxon]

The death of the UAL US Airways merger happened when USAPA was voted in.

The end of the gestation period and birth of a AMR US Airways merger was Judge Silver's clarification.

 

[Claxon]

Ode to the Nicolau award.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKTIe6piDOI

 

[nycbusdriver]

"And then what happened Grandma!!??? Tell me another Fairy Tale!!"

I know you'll never understand this, but the majority using a forced union "absolutely like a weapon" against the minority class is as illegal as labor law gets. Silver is exceptionally anxious to explain that to you scab idiots.

If Judge Silver is "exceptionally anxious to explain that" to USAPA, why did she pass up the opportunity to do exactly that the last time USAPA was in her court? Why did she dismiss counts one and three brought by the company and the AOL idiots, and grant number two which favored USAPA?

That sounds really anxious to me. NOT.

 

[nycbusdriver]

Now, I'm not saying it's fair, but since there has already been an arbitration (that hasn't been proven void), it really doesn't matter one bit what you and I think is fair. The fact is, I don't see how you'll be able to get anything better than the Nic when this is over and done with. Maybe I'll be proven wrong, but I just don't see it.

Bean

The Nicolau list is a fact of history. It will be binding on all US Airways pilots the minute we get back in ALPA and have a joint contract.

Get back to us when those two things are in place.

 

[Phoenix]

If Judge Silver is "exceptionally anxious to explain that" to USAPA, why did she pass up the opportunity to do exactly that the last time USAPA was in her court? Why did she dismiss counts one and three brought by the company and the AOL idiots, and grant number two which favored USAPA?

That sounds really anxious to me. NOT.

There has been a dramatic change in the facts that are present now, facts that she did not have available to her before. Most notably the West class voted 98% in favor of USAPA's proposal to move things forward. But of course it all is still contingent.

Even if I were a lawyer, you couldn't pay me enough to make such a foolish appearance in court.. Well, I guess I don't understand lawyers.

 

[luvthe9]

You're STILL on loa93! The company laughed ladt

Poor Mr. Polygragh man is all out of ammo, now were are back to the old LOA93 insult and we saved you crap. Relax son it's all over.

 

[snapthis]

Relax son it's all over.

Finally, a realization of what is to come. You must have been at the final CLT-PHL domicile emergency meeting.

 

[Metroyet]

There has been a dramatic change in the facts that are present now, facts that she did not have available to her before. Most notably the West class voted 98% in favor of USAPA's proposal to move things forward. But of course it all is still contingent.

Even if I were a lawyer, you couldn't pay me enough to make such a foolish appearance in court.. Well, I guess I don't understand lawyers.

The West voted 98% to gain contractual provisions that USAPA, in 100 years would have been completely unable to achieve without the APA. The MOU vote...and everybody agreed to this...has nothing to do with the East West seniority issue. In fact, I believe your union stated multiple times that the seniority issue should not even be considered when deciding how to vote on the MOU right? The USAPA stooge lawyer in NY a few weeks ago tried to tell Judge Lane that the East West issue was voted on by all parties in the MOU and he Immediately, unequivocally shut him down.

You guys are a self generating machine of fantasies. The 98% want to move forward so they can gain a respectable income and kill off the organized criminal organization that is your fake union. The MOU is "neutral" to seniority. The Law isn't.

That's why you're going back to court with the UCC, APA, LLC, AOL, AMR on one side of the issue and USTUPID on the other. What would be truly embarassing is if the foundational argument of USAPA is: "it isn't ripe".

I've been warning you to drum up that LUP as you were most certainly going to need it. The time has come.

What is the Legitimate Union Purpose to re-arrange the Arbitrated seniority list to the exclusive benefit of the East, to the exclusive detriment to the West...in direct opposition of the award generated through due process and final and binding arbitration.

What is the LUP?

 

[Metroyet]

If Judge Silver is "exceptionally anxious to explain that" to USAPA, why did she pass up the opportunity to do exactly that the last time USAPA was in her court? Why did she dismiss counts one and three brought by the company and the AOL idiots, and grant number two which favored USAPA?

That sounds really anxious to me. NOT.

The DJ is apples and oranges. It's being appealed btw. Addington II is a completely different animal with a TA in full, unaltered effect and a jointly ratified agreement. Beyond that, every entity involved with the merger has stated this is going to get resolved before any APA USAPA SLI. Every single one except USAPA has said this. If the UCC and APA demand resolution, I wouldn't get my hopes up that USAPA can oppose them very effectively.

Besides, You're going to win right? You should be elated that Judge Silver has expedited the case. You should be jumping for joy.