AUG/SEPT 2012 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Phoenix]

Recall Organization Committee FAQ Charlotte Update (New Point #7): September 18, 2012

Do you have all the facts to make an educated decision on matters affecting the line pilot?

http://www.rocclt.org/#!faq/cirw

Ok, so its really cool that the names of new members joining the website are posted for posterity sake. Checked a few on the seniority list..... #1 captain on the A330 in CLT... Another senior Capt on the A330 in CLT... and of note a Capt on the 767 with a bid award in PHL for Nov (sorta like the USAir pilot that was on leave and at Jet Blue when he voted away our pension)...

Website says its a growing list.. LIke wild fire, for sure. I'll have to check back often and compare the new member list to the seniority list and bid awards to see if any others are moving out of base and still ambitious enough to try to leave their legacy as they leave.

 

[luvn737s]

Gee, when I made this argument about 767One,I was criticized. Now it seems you've grasped what I was saying.

Nevergiveup. I guess I shouldn't.

 

[A320 Driver]

Ok, so its really cool that the names of new members joining the website are posted for posterity sake. Checked a few on the seniority list..... #1 captain on the A330 in CLT... Another senior Capt on the A330 in CLT... and of note a Capt on the 767 with a bid award in PHL for Nov (sorta like the USAir pilot that was on leave and at Jet Blue when he voted away our pension)...

Website says its a growing list.. LIke wild fire, for sure. I'll have to check back often and compare the new member list to the seniority list and bid awards to see if any others are moving out of base and still ambitious enough to try to leave their legacy as they leave.

Not sure what's funny. There were a lot of names on the sheets I signed.

Driver...

 

[jetjok1]

The windfall argument is really BS.

The above stated pilots did not gain at all. That pilot retained (actually lost) some of their relative seniority and the ability to retain the same exact job they had prior to the arbitration. Just like you did. You did not lose 850 numbers or whatever. You retained the same seniority to maintain the same position. Further, the above pilot was not added to your list. Two list were combined.

But, lets take your argument a step further.....you must be completely revolted by the usapa plan of awarding a HUGE...say again...ENORMOUSLY HUGE....windfall to the east at the West's expense. I mean one day I have the seniority to be a mid level line holding captain...and the next some guy with less LOS who was furloughed has my job and I cannot hold my own job again for over ten years and will never recover the position I held a decade earlier.


In other words...you are full of it with the widfall BS.

And you are full of it with the windfall BS that the East enjoyed at the West expense. So their we are.....stalemate.

You make no sense......as usual

 

[luvn737s]

No he makes sense, but you can't reconcile it with what you've been fed by USAPA.

 

[jetjok1]

I thought I already had...but for this specific posters question, I will go again.

the West pilot hired two days earlier gained 850 numbers compared to what number?

Obviously not the West pilots former number, compared to that he moved down somewhere between 517 and 2900.

so jetjok is saying the guy who was hired at a completely different airline in the same week he was hired at AAA or wherever, had greater seniority at AWA than he had at AAA.

for jetjoke to say he gained 850 numbers is a fallacy. what jj should have said is "if this guy were on OUR list....it would be like he gained 850 numbers". but the guy was not on the east's list, nor was he added to the east's list.

Once again you make no sense. Your monkey motion theory has no merit. The NIC list IS a list. Remember, the one grandpa put together. Geez, where do you get this stuff

 

[jetjok1]

What was your relative seniority on your list before and after the "merger". Also, were you ever furloughed?

I was an 84' hire. Figure it out yourself.

 

[jetjok1]

No he makes sense, but you can't reconcile it with what you've been fed by USAPA.

I don't listen to USAPA..........try again......humor me

 

[traderjake]

Not sure what's funny.

You could say that about everyone of his " " posts.

 

[N924PS]

I was an 84' hire. Figure it out yourself.

As a 1984 hire, please answer the following:

What was your relative position on the Nicolau Award vs. the 2005 pre-merger AAA seniority list position?

Based on simple parity with the current West pay rate, how much money have you left on the table since May 2007, and how much more could you have placed in your company 401K?

Do you honestly believe you will ever see a DOH SLI , stand alone, or especially should a merger transpire?

To borrow a popular campaign slogan, Are you better off today than you were four years ago being represented by USAPA?

And finally, if Judge Silver should rule that the company must use the Nicolau Award,will you insist for a vote on whether or not an appeal by USAPA should be pursued?

 

[Ames]

I was an 84' hire. Figure it out yourself.

The fact that you won't tell me your relative seniority at the time of the "merger" says it all. Your mind is closed to a discussion of what our seniority debacle is all about.

I am not going to figure it out for myself because I really don't care now that I know how closed minded you are.

I do not have access to your list from back then but I do have current info. I was a 1998 hire and a reserve captain in 2005. You were a 1984 hire and, I'm guessing a first officer. My relative seniority was 47% and I am guessing yours in the 50 to 60's. I must be one of those 850 you "lost" numbers to.

I am not willing to hand over my captain seat to you, or anyone like you, just because you were hired in 1984 and clung to a losing company all the way to the bottom. Get over yourself.

 

[BoeingBoy]

I do not have access to your list from back then but I do have current info.

An '84 hire would have been a junior captain with a sprinkling of widebody F/O's included (those could have held junior captain but didn't). That's using the May 2005 status, not the certified list for seniority integration but close enough. It does cover a pretty wide range of seniority since PI was hiring like gangbusters back in 1984 through 1988 - 200 or more per year - so including all 4 carriers that comprised US at the US/HP merger (US, PI, PSA, Shuttle/EA) it was about 300 pilots or about 10% of the non-furloughed list in 2005.

Jim

 

[Phoenix]

You could say that about everyone of his " " posts.

You have a western mindset. It is what it is.

 

[Phoenix]

Gee, when I made this argument about 767One,I was criticized. Now it seems you've grasped what I was saying.

Nevergiveup. I guess I shouldn't.

You don't get it. 76one has to retire, and he ain't slipping a Mickey to folks far his junior (via a contract). That is not the same as choosing to go to a different base and attempting to recall reps that won't be yours anyway in a month. That would be like recalling ALPA reps right before electing USAPA.

 

[nevergiveup]

The fact that you won't tell me your relative seniority at the time of the "merger" says it all. Your mind is closed to a discussion of what our seniority debacle is all about.

I am not going to figure it out for myself because I really don't care now that I know how closed minded you are.

I do not have access to your list from back then but I do have current info. I was a 1998 hire and a reserve captain in 2005. You were a 1984 hire and, I'm guessing a first officer. My relative seniority was 47% and I am guessing yours in the 50 to 60's. I must be one of those 850 you "lost" numbers to.

I am not willing to hand over my captain seat to you, or anyone like you, just because you were hired in 1984 and clung to a losing company all the way to the bottom. Get over yourself.

Enjoy the sunshine. Nobody wants to take your seat from you. I wear a 36 when I inhale!