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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-07-12/the-future-of-u-s-air-travel-fewer-flights-and-higher-fares-.html

The Future of U.S. Air Travel: Fewer Flights and Higher Fares?

Subtitle: Is Bigger Better?
The airlines say their very survival depends on becoming so big they can ride out the industry's perennial boom and bust cycles, and it is hard to argue with their reasoning. "For years we've lurched from crisis to crisis," with billion-dollar losses to show for it, says Gary Kennedy, a senior vice president of American Airlines who's among those selling the merger on Capitol Hill. "Now we finally have an opportunity to create a stronger and more stable company that can withstand the inevitable shocks." Those shocks are well known from the headlines: fuel prices that have soared from 10 percent to as high as 40 percent of airline operating expenses in ten years; terror attacks; disease epidemics; and swings in the overall economy. Airlines are particularly vulnerable to these forces, which explains why billionaire investor Warren Buffett famously said that someone should have done "capitalism a favor" and shot down the Wright brothers' first flight. The newly bulked-up mega-airlines might finally prove him wrong—if, as their recent profits suggest, they can use their might to run more efficient operations. And at least consumers won't have to worry about the airline they just bought a ticket on going under prior to departure.


According to West pilots, Dave, Eric, Tony and the rest, Buffet had it wrong: it's better to SHOOT AND KILL the Wright brothers and put the LITTLE GIRL from their recruiting tapes in the Captains seat.
 
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Life is so much better without the hyperbole that these two put out. All they have is old videos, newer videos, half-truths & oh yea.....a lot of smiley faces!

BTW, US Airways sought and got an extension from the courts for a delay to the response brief @ the 9th. Now must reply by the August 21st. If the POR date is August 15th(ish), and LCC really needs this completed.......I wonder what LCC will do then?

Let's see. There is really only one list that sits on Mr. Parker's desk as delivered by our previous CBA. He has not accepted DOH, DOH-lite, DOH w/ C&R's, etc. Hmmmm, what path does the company take?
Hey lier, lawyer, maroon, dipshit, SUCKA! Where's the court order GRANTING the extension? Even if this WERE true, which I haven't seen any order, why would ANYONE (except for you, Chip Munn and the conspiracy theorists) believe....that's right.....believe that somehow the company (LCC or the new AMR) is no longer an appellant in this case?

I don't know what you guys are smoking but you better not bring it to work. Dave Simmons, the Rev. Al Sharpton of minority AOL pilots.
 
"d. During the McCaskill-Bond process, including any arbitration proceeding, US Airways,American or New American Airlines, or their successors (if any), shall remain neutral regarding theorder in which pilots are placed on the integrated seniority list, but such neutrality shall not preventsaid carriers from insuring that the award complies with the criteria in Paragraph 10." End of ALPA may not have presented the facts in the best light, but they are facts none the less. 98% of the voting pilots in PHX agreed, as well as 75% of all US Airways pilots that during the M/B "esque" process the above rule would be in effect. Both managements "have a say." The extent of that particular say has been agreed to in contractual language (and yes, the parties, all the parties can agree to stuff in M/B during the initial phase without mediation or arbitrations.) We all agreed to the extent of management's participation. We all voted on it. If the POR occurs it will be law and part of M/B. They are contractually neutral. Upon the POR that will be the law. RR
So simple, a "cave man" can get. Really, Jamie??? Really?? That the best you got, cupcake? (Speaking for the sarcastic cupcakes out there.)
 
Coming to a New Amerikan Airlines theatre near YOU:

US Airways proposes lower pay for new American Eagle pilots
Posted Friday, Jul. 12, 2013

US Airways is proposing a reduced pay rate for new pilots at American Eagle as part of discussions between the airlines.

A union letter to Eagle pilots said US Airways is not looking for additional cost concessions from existing pilots once it merges with Eagle’s parent company, AMR Corp. But it wants to freeze a pilot’s pay if the pilot chooses not to move into an American Airlines position in the future.

Most concessions would fall to new pilots who would be technically hired by American Airlines but work at Eagle. Those hires would also be able to move to the mainline carrier like the rest of the Eagle pilots in the seniority order, Tony Gutierrez, the Eagle union leader at the Air Line Pilots Association, said in the letter.

“US Airways indicated that without this deal, they would place the new aircraft at another carrier with lower costs,” Gutierrez wrote.

Before it filed for bankruptcy, AMR discussed selling or divesting the regional carrier, but those plans were put on hold. AMR plans to merge with US Airways by the end of the year. Doug Parker, who will be the CEO of the combined company, has said he has made no decisions about Eagle’s future.

US Airways declined to comment on the discussions with the Air Line Pilots Association.

Read more here: http://www.star-telegram.com/2013/07/12/4998728/us-airways-proposes-lower-pay.html#storylink=cpy

Looks like Parker is starting a new airline. Maybe he will call it America West.
 
Typical whipsawing the pilot unions
How does eagle pay compare with PSA's pay? I don't know the pay specifics for either of them. Those two pretty much comprise the wholly owned regional component of the new company now. Piedmont is still there but it's not looking good for them with only worn out dash-8s in the fleet. Guess he could be referring to a contract company also such as Republic.
 
Now you have done it. Pointing out he is putting his fingers in his ears... I find it a bit embarrassing that a BPR member is reduced to relishing in such a small consolation victory as banning you from his sight, on an entertainment message board. :huh:

Well then Scotty, the embarrassment goes both ways:
I find it embarrassing that the former AAA pilot group will keep their word when they collectively promised to abide by the arbitrators ruling. I'm embarrassed that my new "union" sought to persecute our group at least 3 times on two different fronts. I'm embarrassed for you that your children watch your childish, costly & futile attempts to cheat a smaller group of those that the "union" is supposed to represent.

Mostly I'm embarrassed for you that you simply don't get it (life, morals, ethics, etc.). You should stick to you other hobbies since you are "out". Come back and fly when you are better & can keep your word.

CB
 
Well then Scotty, the embarrassment goes both ways:
I find it embarrassing that the former AAA pilot group will keep their word when they collectively promised to abide by the arbitrators ruling. I'm embarrassed that my new "union" sought to persecute our group at least 3 times on two different fronts. I'm embarrassed for you that your children watch your childish, costly & futile attempts to cheat a smaller group of those that the "union" is supposed to represent.

Mostly I'm embarrassed for you that you simply don't get it (life, morals, ethics, etc.). You should stick to you other hobbies since you are "out". Come back and fly when you are better & can keep your word.

CB

Agreed to a fair arbitration, not a windfall. A windfall referenced by ALPA itself for something not to have happen again, referenced by UAL and CAL to be avoided. You agreed to a process that was fair and equitable, yet fail to rectify it.
Wait, I forgot. I am on your ignore list. Never mind.
 
And why does PSA have RJ’s and PDT doesn’t
And is the E195/195X/170/175 a mainline aircraft
190's are mainline, the 175's and 170's are contract under republic. The RJ/dash issue goes back to the BK stuff. During Bk there was a Jets for jobs program where mainline furloughed pilots got some of the capt positions on new jets. At the time the only RJ's in the US system were about a dozen flying with mesa. PSA had Do-328's, Allegheny and piedmont had dash 8's. The regional pilot groups were offered RJ's with a condition of getting them being that they also take some of the furloughed mainline pilots. Piedmont pilot group refused the condition and PSA accepted the condition, so PSA got the jets and went from about 30 do-328's to 70+ RJ's almost overnight. Piedmont and Allegheny were merged into one and now I don't think the even have the number of planes combined that just piedmont had separate. There were other payscale and related issues mixed into this transition and there is still a contested point of view on the timeline and backroom dealing associated with the process, but in effect that is why PSA has lots of jets and is 3 or 4 times the size it used to be and piedmont has no jets and is a shell of what it was. For a more detailed view you would need to talk to somebody that was PSA or piedmont during this time. What I posted was the info we were provided at mainline through ALPA updates etc, while this was occurring.
 
Well then Scotty, the embarrassment goes both ways:
I find it embarrassing that the former AAA pilot group will keep their word when they collectively promised to abide by the arbitrators ruling. I'm embarrassed that my new "union" sought to persecute our group at least 3 times on two different fronts. I'm embarrassed for you that your children watch your childish, costly & futile attempts to cheat a smaller group of those that the "union" is supposed to represent.

Mostly I'm embarrassed for you that you simply don't get it (life, morals, ethics, etc.). You should stick to you other hobbies since you are "out". Come back and fly when you are better & can keep your word.

CB
You are embarrassed for us because we have no integrity. You are so right. We are unclean. Stand afar off lest you too be corrupted. :lol:

You guys keep assuming I am Scott. I'm ok with you all choosing to play the part of overly confident idiots. Don't assume I will interfere with your demonstrations of "brilliance." After all you nailed us on integrity.. The West prowess of deduction is nearly limitless and I dare say it approaches self proclaimed omniscience.

Would you all feel honored if we called you Sherlock? :lol:

This is a board for entertainment. Really, nothing more than entertainment. And it pays in spades!
 
Agreed to a fair arbitration, not a windfall. A windfall referenced by ALPA itself for something not to have happen again, referenced by UAL and CAL to be avoided. You agreed to a process that was fair and equitable, yet fail to rectify it.
Wait, I forgot. I am on your ignore list. Never mind.

As a closet reader, he is beside himself. Tied in knots.

He already said you are on ignore and now can never respond to you without admitting he can't keep his word.

Oh alas... alas alack, the perplexing dilemma of the self-righteous.
 
As a closet reader, he is beside himself. Tied in knots.

He already said you are on ignore and now can never respond to you without admitting he can't keep his word.

Oh alas... alas alack, the perplexing dilemma of the self-righteous.

I am on ignore too. CB 53 really does have a dilemma! He only reads Nic4 and Cleardirect.
He really is all twisted up now with his morality. He has to keep his word.
 
I am on ignore too. CB 53 really does have a dilemma! He only reads Nic4 and Cleardirect.
He really is all twisted up now with his morality. He has to keep his word.

I think it is unfortunate that they voted 98% for something and then pay Marty inordinate amounts of money to have the terms of the agreement changed outside of the democratic proceeds. Oh well. Its their money. They should be free to use it for snipe hunting as they wish, especially to hunt the integrity challenged snipes.
 
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