August 2013 Pilot Discussion

[cactusboy53]

Dave Simmons. Idiot savant. Long answer.....SO WHAT? US Airways and AMR have NO SAY IN THE SLI. Read the MOU you voted for DIPSHIT!

Name-calling, Jamie? That seems to be a bit of frustration that you are venting. Here are some facts:

Every party involved in any fashion (with the exception of USAPA) state that this is RIPE. The main parties (LCC, AMR & APA) will NOT allow your dispute of the Nicolau seniority list come any where NEAR the seniority integration between the pilots of APA & the US Airways pilots.

I'm not a legal eagle, but I know common sense, logic, & ethics when I see them. USAPA is merely attempting to evade the agreed upon process and the product of the same (the Nicolau seniority list) at ANY and ALL costs. USAPA continues to force the west pilot group to help pay for this folly since USAPA is our CBA (but not for much longer, thank the Lord!!).

Buck up Jamie. This little ride is coming to an end soon. Have a great day!!

 

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Name-calling, Jamie? That seems to be a bit of frustration that you are venting. Here are some facts:

Every party involved in any fashion (with the exception of USAPA) state that this is RIPE. The main parties (LCC, AMR & APA) will NOT allow your dispute of the Nicolau seniority list come any where NEAR the seniority integration between the pilots of APA & the US Airways pilots.

I'm not a legal eagle, but I know common sense, logic, & ethics when I see them. USAPA is merely attempting to evade the agreed upon process and the product of the same (the Nicolau seniority list) at ANY and ALL costs. USAPA continues to force the west pilot group to help pay for this folly since USAPA is our CBA (but not for much longer, thank the Lord!!).

Buck up Jamie. This little ride is coming to an end soon. Have a great day!!

Well then common sense, logic and ethics are certainly beyond YOU'RE comprehension. Because after two trips to the Supreme Court you and you're "legal" accomplices continue the loosing tract. The MAIN parties may be a majority in their "opinion" but the LAW still prevails. Have a problem with the FACTS and the TRUTH DAVE??? Join the NAACP and vote for vigilante justice to avenge Trayvon Martin and, oh, BTW you can add USAPA to that charge as well. Buck up, DAVE....the ride IS coming to an end and you and you're AOL team of idiot savants are in for a rude awakening. The is NO BASIS IN FACT AND LAW THAT SUPPORT YOUR temper tantrums. Keep tilting at those windmills...David "Don QUIOTE" Simmons and the WEST chumps. You have a great day, yourself. (P.S. you just may need to take that MOU out and read it again...oh that's right, you can't even believe what Rocky and Holmes, two WEST pilots on the NAC have told you. SUCKA!)

 

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Yet you eastie have been doing a much poorer job for a lot less for a long time.

Still SENIOR to you, SUCKA!!! (What a chump.)

 

[luvthe9]

Name-calling, Jamie? That seems to be a bit of frustration that you are venting. Here are some facts:

Every party involved in any fashion (with the exception of USAPA) state that this is RIPE. The main parties (LCC, AMR & APA) will NOT allow your dispute of the Nicolau seniority list come any where NEAR the seniority integration between the pilots of APA & the US Airways pilots.

I'm not a legal eagle, but I know common sense, logic, & ethics when I see them. USAPA is merely attempting to evade the agreed upon process and the product of the same (the Nicolau seniority list) at ANY and ALL costs. USAPA continues to force the west pilot group to help pay for this folly since USAPA is our CBA (but not for much longer, thank the Lord!!).

Buck up Jamie. This little ride is coming to an end soon. Have a great day!!

Put another one on the ignore list. Funny how when you get told the truth, you throw a tantrum and jam your fingers in your ears. Pretty soon it will be just you and cleardirect telling each other tall tales.

 

[cactusboy53]

Put another one on the ignore list. Funny how when you get told the truth, you throw a tantrum and jam your fingers in your ears. Pretty soon it will be just you and cleardirect telling each other tall tales.

I'm pretty sure my response to Jamie wasn't a tantrum. It was a salient post that was detailed and factual. I'm placing you & and Jamie in my little "corn field". Have a great evening.

 

[Phoenix]

Put another one on the ignore list. Funny how when you get told the truth, you throw a tantrum and jam your fingers in your ears. Pretty soon it will be just you and cleardirect telling each other tall tales.

Now you have done it. Pointing out he is putting his fingers in his ears... I find it a bit embarrassing that a BPR member is reduced to relishing in such a small consolation victory as banning you from his sight, on an entertainment message board. :huh:

 

[luvthe9]

I'm pretty sure my response to Jamie wasn't a tantrum. It was a salient post that was detailed and factual. I'm placing you & and Jamie in my little "corn field". Have a great evening.

Fantastic news. You and Marty make a great team. Judge after judge tells Marty his cases aren't ripe, and he keeps his ears plugged and files again. Dave gets told It isn't ripe and he keeps spending his pilots money paying Marty. You can't make this up.
The best part is Dave won't read this, and West guys will start getting real facts.

 

[cleardirect]

Dave Simmons. Idiot savant. Long answer.....SO WHAT? US Airways and AMR have NO SAY IN THE SLI. Read the MOU you voted for DIPSHIT!

Jamie when you talk do people actually believe you? Don't know why they would since you are talking out your a$$.

Take the time and read the LAW.


When such a covered transaction "results in the combination of crafts or classes that are subject to the Railway Labor Act," "sections 3 and 13 of the labor protective provisions imposed by the Civil Aeronautics Board ("CAB" or the "Board") in the Allegheny-Mohawk merger (as published at 59 C.A.B. 45) shall apply to the integration of covered employees of the covered air carriers." Id. § 42112(a).[1] In short, these Allegheny-Mohawk Labor Protective Provisions ("LPPs") require that the carrier make provisions "for the integration of seniority lists in a fair and equitable manner," including negotiation with union representatives and binding arbitration in covered transactions. The participants in this negotiation/arbitration process are the affected employee groups, and the carrier or carriers involved. The interests of unionized employee groups are represented by their union, while interests of nonunionized employee groups may be represented by employee committees or by the carrier.



Do you understand the definition of carrier? Do you understand the definition of the word participant?

Would you care to correct your statement about who has a say in the SLI?

 

[cleardirect]

Well then common sense, logic and ethics are certainly beyond YOU'RE comprehension. Because after two trips to the Supreme Court you and you're "legal" accomplices continue the loosing tract. The MAIN parties may be a majority in their "opinion" but the LAW still prevails. Have a problem with the FACTS and the TRUTH DAVE??? Join the NAACP and vote for vigilante justice to avenge Trayvon Martin and, oh, BTW you can add USAPA to that charge as well. Buck up, DAVE....the ride IS coming to an end and you and you're AOL team of idiot savants are in for a rude awakening. The is NO BASIS IN FACT AND LAW THAT SUPPORT YOUR temper tantrums. Keep tilting at those windmills...David "Don QUIOTE" Simmons and the WEST chumps. You have a great day, yourself. (P.S. you just may need to take that MOU out and read it again...oh that's right, you can't even believe what Rocky and Holmes, two WEST pilots on the NAC have told you. SUCKA!)

How many times to the Supreme Court?

Addington and?

Do you even have a passing relationship with facts?

The facts are a federal judge has said usapa needs an LUP to even consider changing the Nicolau. Usapa does not have an LUP. The facts are you will not get DOH now or with American. Are you awake yet?

 

[cleardirect]

Fantastic news. You and Marty make a great team. Judge after judge tells Marty his cases aren't ripe, and he keeps his ears plugged and files again. Dave gets told It isn't ripe and he keeps spending his pilots money paying Marty. You can't make this up.
The best part is Dave won't read this, and West guys will start getting real facts.

Facts?

The west pilots get our facts from the court. Not some un signed web site. Son you are most assuredly NOT the source of facts.

 

[Reed Richards]

Jamie when you talk do people actually believe you? Don't know why they would since you are talking out your a$$.

Take the time and read the LAW.


When such a covered transaction "results in the combination of crafts or classes that are subject to the Railway Labor Act," "sections 3 and 13 of the labor protective provisions imposed by the Civil Aeronautics Board ("CAB" or the "Board") in the Allegheny-Mohawk merger (as published at 59 C.A.B. 45) shall apply to the integration of covered employees of the covered air carriers." Id. § 42112(a).[1] In short, these Allegheny-Mohawk Labor Protective Provisions ("LPPs") require that the carrier make provisions "for the integration of seniority lists in a fair and equitable manner," including negotiation with union representatives and binding arbitration in covered transactions. The participants in this negotiation/arbitration process are the affected employee groups, and the carrier or carriers involved. The interests of unionized employee groups are represented by their union, while interests of nonunionized employee groups may be represented by employee committees or by the carrier.



Do you understand the definition of carrier? Do you understand the definition of the word participant?

Would you care to correct your statement about who has a say in the SLI?

"d. During the McCaskill-Bond process, including any arbitration proceeding, US Airways,American or New American Airlines, or their successors (if any), shall remain neutral regarding theorder in which pilots are placed on the integrated seniority list, but such neutrality shall not preventsaid carriers from insuring that the award complies with the criteria in Paragraph 10." End of ALPA may not have presented the facts in the best light, but they are facts none the less. 98% of the voting pilots in PHX agreed, as well as 75% of all US Airways pilots that during the M/B "esque" process the above rule would be in effect. Both managements "have a say." The extent of that particular say has been agreed to in contractual language (and yes, the parties, all the parties can agree to stuff in M/B during the initial phase without mediation or arbitrations.) We all agreed to the extent of management's participation. We all voted on it. If the POR occurs it will be law and part of M/B. They are contractually neutral. Upon the POR that will be the law. RR

 

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"d. During the McCaskill-Bond process, including any arbitration proceeding, US Airways,American or New American Airlines, or their successors (if any), shall remain neutral regarding theorder in which pilots are placed on the integrated seniority list, but such neutrality shall not preventsaid carriers from insuring that the award complies with the criteria in Paragraph 10." End of ALPA may not have presented the facts in the best light, but they are facts none the less. 98% of the voting pilots in PHX agreed, as well as 75% of all US Airways pilots that during the M/B "esque" process the above rule would be in effect. Both managements "have a say." The extent of that particular say has been agreed to in contractual language (and yes, the parties, all the parties can agree to stuff in M/B during the initial phase without mediation or arbitrations.) We all agreed to the extent of management's participation. We all voted on it. If the POR occurs it will be law and part of M/B. They are contractually neutral. Upon the POR that will be the law. RR

Reading comprehension is not a West pilot trait.

 

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I'm pretty sure my response to Jamie wasn't a tantrum. It was a salient post that was detailed and factual. I'm placing you & and Jamie in my little "corn field". Have a great evening.

Keep going Simmons. If you would just keep posting your idiotic dreams of world domination you'll get to put everyone else here in your cornfield. Your so full of it. Typical West pilot. Enjoy your soon to be mini-represented life, Dave.

 

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Now you have done it. Pointing out he is putting his fingers in his ears... I find it a bit embarrassing that a BPR member is reduced to relishing in such a small consolation victory as banning you from his sight, on an entertainment message board. :huh:

Simmons and Schereff can't get their way on the BPR so they come here and throw out the "soon cupcake...soon". They call US maroons! I call them SUCKA'S!

 

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Coming to a New Amerikan Airlines theatre near YOU:

US Airways proposes lower pay for new American Eagle pilots
Posted Friday, Jul. 12, 2013

US Airways is proposing a reduced pay rate for new pilots at American Eagle as part of discussions between the airlines.

A union letter to Eagle pilots said US Airways is not looking for additional cost concessions from existing pilots once it merges with Eagle’s parent company, AMR Corp. But it wants to freeze a pilot’s pay if the pilot chooses not to move into an American Airlines position in the future.

Most concessions would fall to new pilots who would be technically hired by American Airlines but work at Eagle. Those hires would also be able to move to the mainline carrier like the rest of the Eagle pilots in the seniority order, Tony Gutierrez, the Eagle union leader at the Air Line Pilots Association, said in the letter.

“US Airways indicated that without this deal, they would place the new aircraft at another carrier with lower costs,” Gutierrez wrote.

Before it filed for bankruptcy, AMR discussed selling or divesting the regional carrier, but those plans were put on hold. AMR plans to merge with US Airways by the end of the year. Doug Parker, who will be the CEO of the combined company, has said he has made no decisions about Eagle’s future.

US Airways declined to comment on the discussions with the Air Line Pilots Association.

Read more here: http://www.star-telegram.com/2013/07/12/4998728/us-airways-proposes-lower-pay.html#storylink=cpy