August 2013 Pilot Discussion

[traderjake]

more spam, spam spam... your opinion or what you try to frame means nothing.
we are at 2nd base of a long game.

You should prepare yourself for the probability that we're going to lose.

 

[crazystnic]

“…The Arbitration Board conducts an evidentiary hearing, with witnesses, evidence and a stenographic transcript. The Board’s Opinion and Award are to be issued simultaneously, within 150 days following the PID, unless both pilot groups and ALPA’s President agree to an extension. The Merger Policy provides, “The Award of the Arbitration Board shall be final and binding on all parties to the arbitration and shall be defended by ALPA.” No ALPA seniority integration arbitration result has ever been set aside by the courts although some dissatisfied pilots have challenged the award before administrative agencies and the courts.”
US Airwaves June/July 2000
US Air Merger Committee Members: Todd Cardoza (PIT), Mike Cleary (BOS),Randy Mowery (PIT)

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[Phoenix]

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Phoenix, I wanted to thank you for your posts over the weekend. Still catching up on all this, but you have pretty much framed the logic (rather very cryptic logic) in the current ruling.The more I read, the more I think Judge Silver just did Doug Parker a big, in fact huge favor. I am going to study a while before making my self-important predictions on things to come. One thing is sure, and fact: Marty and Andrew McCarthy will no longer be carrying Addington I around Silver's beach party house. It already was dead, but any chance of a sequel is now over. Film at eleven. RR

Indeed she has vociferously argued on behalf of both sides, perhaps in an attempt to encourage a resolution among the two opponents during the negotiations that she ordered. However, and even more likely in my opinion, arguing both sides leaves her with lots of data points along the way to plausibly justify any decision she makes in the end... and lets admit that as a judge she benefits from building herself a wide garden of reasonableness in which to plant her final decision. She will have to make a narrow decision within that wide range but everyone will quickly forget, or never even notice, that she could have gone many ways. Instead everyone will dig at how she came to the decision she did, and she has plenty of plausible rationale now.

As I understand it she now has two precise questions before her: 1) did USAPA breach its DFR in the MOU and 2) does she impose an injunction on USAPA to use the Nic in the MOU process.

Technically then there are four possibilities:

1. guilty--injunction
2. guilty--no injunction
3. not guilty--injunction
4. not guilty--no injunction

I can see that she has viewed, argued, questioned, a rationale for all four.

That being the case a cynic might conclude her real job was never what we all expected/wanted it to be (deciding who is right and who is wrong)... but it has always been about protecting the best possible outcome for the most amount of people with the least amount of disruption, and doing so in a manner that fruits a collective consciousness where nearly everyone accepts, applauds, or at least tolerates, the outcome. That would be cynical. From that perspective, what is the outcome likely to be..... ....And lets not forget she knows the sealed negotiations and can still pull a rabbit out of her hat with a new trick that none of us expect!

 

[EastUS1]

Pi brat, on 21 July 2013 - 11:06 PM, said: Seems no west pilots want to address why voting for an MOU with the intention of declaring it illegal is just the same as not accepting binding arbitration.

I believe it to be much akin to the moral relativism .....

Pretty much a given here. Anyone would necessarily need a very great deal of moral relativism to ever even fantsize themselves as "worthy" of a decade or even more worked of any others within the same class and craft. 😉

 

[EastUS1]

You should prepare yourself for the probability that we're going to lose.

Thank God Allmighty I was never afflicted with your sorry sort during any trying circumstance. A real possiblilty that one will "lose" in any confrontation always exists, and more so than those addicted to little courtroom and such soap operas/dramas imagine.

 

[snapthis]

more spam, spam spam... your opinion or what you try to frame means nothing.
we are at 2nd base of a long game.

Things that make you go hmmm. In the game of baseball, how long does it take to get off second base?

 

[EastUS1]

Have you ever played chess with someone that just seemed to see the board a few more moves ahead than yourself? That's exactly how it feels.

That's not as wide-spread and universally shared affliction as you might wish to imagine/project. 🙂

 

[EastUS1]

.....of the entire black community in that it's OK for someone (as long as you are not a Caucasian male), to break another's nose, straddle another, and bash his head repeatedly against a sidewalk. But, when the "big ace" gets played, to cry that it somehow wasn't fair. In the words of Trayvon, "You got me!" ...... I recommend that you schedule a few sessions with the "pedantic psycho-therapeutic putz", who posts here so regularly, and see if he will grant you any absolution.

"... break another's nose....bash his head repeatedly against a sidewalk...But, when the "big ace" gets played, to cry..."...?

Ummm...a few "little" anger issues you might like to discuss? Do you feel personally inadequate that you've never shot/killed anyone, after all the "abuse" you've perhaps "suffered"? (Maybe you do. I can't make that call). Btw: Whenever referencing the actual shooting and killing of any other person(s)..."The "big ace" gets played" is terminology best suited to, and left entirely to children...or perhaps, "mighty spartans" = Same thing.....Perhaps you feel cute, boyish little terms like "playing" the "big ace" make violent killing a somehow more "gentle" act? "to cry that it somehow wasn't fair"..? Death never was/is/or will EVER be at all concerned with anyone's childish notions of what's "fair". Grow Up!

Per the obvious limitations of your chess prowess: " Have you ever played chess with someone that just seemed to see the board a few more moves ahead than yourself? That's exactly how it feels."...? Well...You're pretty much on your own with that. A host of fine teachings are available. You needn't be Bobby Fischer to avoid feeling so easilly intimidated.

"I recommend that you schedule a few sessions with the "pedantic psycho-therapeutic putz", who posts here so regularly,.." Not-so-much methinks. I suggest you seek therapy with far more skilled and practiced, actual professionals in the field. At this point? I'd just "diagnose" you as a wholly typical, AWA "spartan"= Much-fast-flowing-hot-air/Little-actual-lifting-ability. 🙂

 

[A320 Driver]

You should prepare yourself for the probability that we're going to lose.

You should prepare yourself for another vote should the MOU go through that kind of a modification. Put the NIC in it and we will vote it down and let everyone involved chew on that for a while.

 

[traderjake]

You should prepare yourself for another vote should the MOU go through that kind of a modification. Put the NIC in it and we will vote it down and let everyone involved chew on that for a while.

The MOU addresses the seniority between American and USAirways pilots, not East and West.

 

[EastUS1]

In the game of baseball, how long does it take to get off second base?

Well...no amount of google searches, remembered texts, nor experiential introspectives provide anything more sublime in response to that than: Who Cares? 🙂

 

[EastUS1]

Gotta give credit where it is due.

~ The Cast (alphabetically) ~
Larry Coulter - Fat Cat/Shyster Lawyer
John Dorsey - Rat
Nat Fuqua - Rat, ALPA Pilot
Scott Germain - Rat

Nate Raible - Rat

"Gotta give credit where it is due."

Yup. 🙂

 

[EastUS1]

Anyone would necessarily need a very great deal of moral relativism to ever even fantsize themselves as "worthy" of a decade or even more worked of any others within the same class and craft. 😉

Negative "votes" aplenty for that? OK. My bad. Perhaps it just takes the "mind" of a permanent, and incurably squalling infant, coupled with entirely delusional fantasies of self "worth" to ever even imagine such nonsense...and who would expect such absurdity from supposed "adults"...much less "spartans"? 🙂

 

[Claxon]

Things that make you go hmmm. In the game of baseball, how long does it take to get off second base?

You are referring to Judge Silver's order when she unthetered US Airways, AMR and APA pilots from your suit.

You were issued a bone to keep you pacified. It is the 9th ruling that will haunt you again.

 

[Claxon]

Hey, it's not an Ansett ..

The goofy west look in this ansett video. Judge Silver is used to this look in court from the west pilots. No wonder she told them they were on first base knowing it was going to be a triple play shortly afterwards; US Airways (AMR) to USAPA to APA.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5t5aE0iW4o