August 2013 Pilot Discussion

[dca319]

Of course 10H does say that even a JCBA will not change the lists currently in effect. Going into MB with the NIC would change the lists.Remember, it's not the list in effect at the time of the POR, but the lists in effect prior to voting on the MOU. The company wants a 3 way and I think they might somehow get it. Remember, the party with the most money(in this case it is the company) usually wins.

And the party that has the most money also has the Nicolau as their only list.

 

[dca319]

I'm looking forward to saying "Mercan".

I hope if there is a new call sign it's not "Doug" or "Parker".

I've heard Cleary trademarked the call sign "American" and is suing the company.

 

[snapthis]

You've been accused of flinging your own poo. Your thoughts please sir.

I just read this little tidbit. I wonder if this is a friend of Claxon?

I agree with the poster below, an investigation is in order. I hope his efforts are rewarded with indictments.

"Like any organized criminal (Mob) the weak underbelly is ACCOUNTING. Already there is the alleged brains behind USAPA that is serving a ten year prison sentence and facing more charges. His name is Charles Davis. He is an accountant/lawyer that is all about FRUAD. (just google Davis/IRS/US Airways pilot) There is an (alleged) connection between him and USAPA and during my interviews during Federal nvestigations I was questioned about him. After I flew back home from BNA after a full day of testimony at the DOL OLMS I was contacted by a Fed informing me that they were in process of moving this investigation to a criminal status requiring me to testify before a Federal Grand Jury."

http://www.justice.gov/usao/ncw/pressreleases/Charlotte-2012-09-10-davis.html

 

[snapthis]

Some people may be a little worried after reading that little tidbit.

I hope they jump evertime there is a knock on the door.

Sleep tight

 

[Pi brat]

And the party that has the most money also has the Nicolau as their only list.

No, they don't. The have the listS currently in effect, you know the ones we operate with every day? The ones the MOU that we all voted for said wouldn't be changed except under section 10 of the MOU? Doug Parker is the first one I heard float the idea of a 3 way, over a year ago in a crew news.

 

[Piedmont1984]

From where did this rumor come that we're changing call signs?

From that place where all rumors originate. I've seen Maverick posted here and Goose on another thread. Tumbleweed would be the same genre as Cactus. I hope it's all nonsense and we stick with Mercan.

 

[dca319]

No, they don't. The have the listS currently in effect, you know the ones we operate with every day? The ones the MOU that we all voted for said wouldn't be changed except under section 10 of the MOU? Doug Parker is the first one I heard float the idea of a 3 way, over a year ago in a crew news.

No, I've seen the letter Parker put out accepting the Nicolau award. He floated the idea, as an CEO would, to try to move things forward with little or no cost to him. You can see where that's gone. We're still proposing DoH to the APA and AoL is still going for the Nicolau. Reading Doc 136, it doesn't look to promising for the east. And the fact that Parker accepted the Nicolau, in writing, doesn't bode well for the east either. The hand is stacked in the west's favor going into the hearing.

 

[dca319]

From that place where all rumors originate. I've seen Maverick posted here and Goose on another thread.

And Cleary, at this moment, is on LegalZoom trademarking those names as well. Or so I've heard.

 

[dca319]

No, they don't. The have the listS currently in effect, you know the ones we operate with every day? The ones the MOU that we all voted for said wouldn't be changed except under section 10 of the MOU? Doug Parker is the first one I heard float the idea of a 3 way, over a year ago in a crew news.

Because delaying implementation, closing your eyes, and plugging your ears always makes arbitration awards go away. Outstanding legal move.

 

[nevergiveup]

No, I've seen the letter Parker put out accepting the Nicolau award. He floated the idea, as an CEO would, to try to move things forward with little or no cost to him. You can see where that's gone. We're still proposing DoH to the APA and AoL is still going for the Nicolau. Reading Doc 136, it doesn't look to promising for the east. And the fact that Parker accepted the Nicolau, in writing, doesn't bode well for the east either. The hand is stacked in the west's favor going into the hearing.

Good luck!

 

[EastUS1]

Forget dogfighting, let's go with boxing.

Sigh!....And here I'd thought "you'se" were supposedly "Pilots"? 😉 Pass on boxing. That's perhaps the stupidest sporting activity ever contrived (well...outside of Curling anyway). Where's the possible logic in limiting "combat" to fists-only, with the intent of battering another's skull until they're unable to continue...BUT...then wearing frikkin' padded gloves to do so!? WTF? God gave man opposable thumbs and a brain for good reasons. 🙂

 

[dca319]

Good luck!

At this point, luck has no place.

 

[Pi brat]

No, I've seen the letter Parker put out accepting the Nicolau award. He floated the idea, as an CEO would, to try to move things forward with little or no cost to him. You can see where that's gone. We're still proposing DoH to the APA and AoL is still going for the Nicolau. Reading Doc 136, it doesn't look to promising for the east. And the fact that Parker accepted the Nicolau, in writing, doesn't bode well for the east either. The hand is stacked in the west's favor going into the hearing.

The hand has been stacked in the west's favor for a long time now. Heck, I thought you guys would win in SFO on Addington I. Where has that gotten us? Poorer and stagnate, some more than others on each count.

Parker has told you that you put too much stock in the fact that they "accepted" the Nic. They did, just as they accepted USAPA's section 22 proposal, but he hasn't done anything with either one, has he? Turns out a legally elected CBA has a lot of power and a company that wants to use it's employees food fight has much more!

Here's a crazy idea. Let's use the actual wording in the MOU and not use the Nic or a previously combined DOH list. Let's let the merger committee, made up of east and west members, represent us using the listS currently in effect. Just like we voted for! Simple.

 

[dca319]

The hand has been stacked in the west's favor for a long time now. Heck, I thought you guys would win in SFO on Addington I. Where has that gotten us? Poorer and stagnate, some more than other on each count.

Parker has told you that you put too much stock in the fact that they "accepted" the Nic. They did, just as they accepted USAPA's section 22 proposal, but he hasn't done anything on either one, has he? Turns out a legally elected CBA has a lot of power and a company that wants to use it's employees food fight had much more!

Here's a crazy idea. Let's use the actual wording in the MOU and not use the Nic or a previously combined DOH list. Let's let the merger committee, made up of east and west members, represent us using the listS currently in effect. Just like we voted for! Simple.

Szymanski stated that USAPA is going for DoH with CR. Our CBL hasn't changed with regard to DoH. The actual wording in the MOU is debatable. And there's an arbitration award out there. Not so simple. That's why a judge will fix this for us.

 

[EastUS1]

The actual wording in the MOU is debatable.

"The actual wording" in anything ever written in a known language, and still available for viewing isn't, by any possible definition; "debatable"...Well...assuming one can read. 😉 Interpretations are an entriely different deal.