August 2013 Pilot Discussion

[snapthis]

"...uscaba negotiated terms in the MOU in violation of their DFR." Yet your own Reps were involved in the construction of it, and your bunch voted overwhelmingly in favor of it, with 97 percent for passage?

Can any of you west paradigms of "integrity" please explain that?



OK. So you can't just give any straight and honest answer that explains the west's attempted con game with the MOU then? How predictable. No matter really. Go ahead and print up a fresh batch of "Integrity Matters" T-shirts, if you can still believe your own BS, that is. 😉

Your west Reps involved with the construction of the instrument, your best legal minds in agreement, and 97 percent of you voted in favor...but (with boastful fantasies of "integrity") it's "in violation of their DFR"? That wouldn't even read well in a comic book. 🙂

Can I trust you won't disclose our legal strategy to Pi if I give you the details? Better yet, l'll order you a t-shirt. 🙂

 

[EastUS1]

Can I trust you won't disclose our legal strategy to Pi if I give you the details? Better yet, l'll order you a t-shirt. 🙂

I do understand the first portion, and, per the second? = 'Bout damm time!...I've been asking for an "Intgerity Matters" or at least a "Dire Wolf" T-shirt for ages...an' nunaya' have yet come through with any! 🙂

 

[snapthis]

I do understand the first portion, and, per the second? = 'Bout damm time!...I've been asking for an "Intgerity Matters" or at least a "Dire Wolf" T-shirt for ages...an' nunaya' have yet come through with any! 🙂

Noted: One Dire Wolf Integrity Matters Spartan Cactus T.

Let's see if we have a shirt large enough for ya.😉

 

[Beancounter]

I do understand the first portion, and, per the second? = 'Bout damm time!...I've been asking for an "Intgerity Matters" or at least a "Dire Wolf" T-shirt for ages...an' nunaya' have yet come through with any! 🙂

My personal favorite was the t-shirt that had a milk carton with a, "have you seen me," picture of a stapler. Wish I could get one.

P.S. If I start rambling it's because after crunching numbers for a non-profit this morning I went and gave blood. I'm feeling especially saintly today 🙂

Bean

 

[Freighterguynow]

I've got some 30 year loser anniversary shirts. What's your size?

 

[nic4us]

Noted: One Dire Wolf Integrity Matters Spartan Cactus T.

Let's see if we have a shirt large enough for ya.😉

The shirt will fit if he can get it over his head!

 

[snapthis]

The shirt will fit if he can get it over his head!

Noted: Special order. Tongan sized.

Disclaimer: No offense to Pacific Islanders or easily offended liberal types intended.

 

[nic4us]

"...uscaba negotiated terms in the MOU in violation of their DFR." Yet your own Reps were involved in the construction of it, and your bunch voted overwhelmingly in favor of it, with 97 percent for passage?

So, you think the West reps part in the negotiation was...hey let's make it seniority neutral?

I do not think so. I think the West reps have continuously made evident their position is the Nic is the only acceptable list for the LCC pilots. The question becomes, was the MOU made "seniority neutral" to the objection of the West reps?

Further, it is not only about the content but the behavior of the east and uscaba.

Uscaba sold the MOU as "seniority neutral " then walked into a courtroom and said.....we never meant seniority neutral meant anything but what we want to imposed, in spite of the fact that a final and binding arbitration governing this integration took place between two sections of the membership we have a DFR toward.

As far as the 98% in favor vote.....again the West will vote overwhelmingly in favor of anything that gets rid of the scab union.

 

[snapthis]

Excerpt from court transcripts.

The tea leaves

"THE COURT: Essentially, from the -- from the last
time you were here and what you gave me in writing, your client
has taken a position, and so has American, of neutrality,
essentially, on this issue, and stepped back and said: Get
this resolved. These are -- there are legal issues. You --
you raise some. Both the parties raise some and you raised a
unique one about --
MR. SIEGEL: Right.
THE COURT: -- McCaskill-Bond.
So -- so okay. So you've given me an idea of where we
are, and whether or not there has been any progress in moving
forward as was -- was the plan under the merger."

 

[nevergiveup]

So, you think the West reps part in the negotiation was...hey let's make it seniority neutral?

I do not think so. I think the West reps have continuously made evident their position is the Nic is the only acceptable list for the LCC pilots. The question becomes, was the MOU made "seniority neutral" to the objection of the West reps?

Further, it is not only about the content but the behavior of the east and uscaba.

Uscaba sold the MOU as "seniority neutral " then walked into a courtroom and said.....we never meant seniority neutral meant anything but what we want to imposed, in spite of the fact that a final and binding arbitration governing this integration took place between two sections of the membership we have a DFR toward.

As far as the 98% in favor vote.....again the West will vote overwhelmingly in favor of anything that gets rid of the scab union.

Now, now.....be nice!

 

[snapthis]

Why does Mr Szymanski seem so unprepared?

MR. SZYMANSKI:
"And to say that this has been a -- a fire drill, I
mean, we've -- we've shortened the time for responding to
discovery requests. We've set up an abbreviated schedule for
responding to objections within three business days of
receiving a request instead of waiting for the normal 30 days,
and -- and so on and so forth. And we have been doing that,
and we've had our normal disagreements, but everybody has been
cooperating on doing that.
But I have to tell you this is making it difficult,
especially for us, to prepare our defense in this case, and
with respect to the issue about expert witnesses --"

THE COURT: Well, let me stop you.
What is making it difficult to prepare your defense,
if in fact -- I thought your client was not really involved in
the -- in the DOJ lawsuit, so you've just been moving forward.

MR. SZYMANSKI: The defense in this case, Your Honor.
The -- the abbreviated trial schedule.

THE COURT: I see. So what you're saying is it has
nothing to do with the DOJ lawsuit.

MR. SZYMANSKI: No.

 

[Phoenix]

Excerpt from court transcripts.

The tea leaves

"THE COURT: Essentially, from the -- from the last
time you were here and what you gave me in writing, your client
has taken a position, and so has American, of neutrality,
essentially, on this issue, and stepped back and said: Get
this resolved. These are -- there are legal issues. You --
you raise some. Both the parties raise some and you raised a
unique one about --
MR. SIEGEL: Right.
THE COURT: -- McCaskill-Bond.
So -- so okay. So you've given me an idea of where we
are, and whether or not there has been any progress in moving
forward as was -- was the plan under the merger."

What date, what doc number, WTF does it matter apart from context.

 

[snapthis]

Marty gets the last word.....

MR. HARPER: Very, very brief.
He's having difficulty preparing his defense. Judge,
the issue is: What was the legitimate union purpose for doing
what they did? They know it, they have to articulate it, and I
have to beat it back.
He has no defense. He should be up there first
explaining to you what the legitimate union purpose was as a
plaintiff, and I should be trying to beat it back.
He's not preparing a defense. He has to prepare his
story.
THE COURT: Thank you. We are adjourned.
(Proceedings concluded at 3:15 p.m.)

 

[snapthis]

What date, what doc number, WTF does it matter apart from context.

You must be the new guy aound these parts.

Where have you been?

UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
FOR THE DISTRICT OF ARIZONA
Don Addington, et al.,
Plaintiffs,
vs.
US Airline Pilots Association,
et al.,
Defendants.
)))))))))))
No. CV 13-471-PHX-ROS
Phoenix, Arizona
August 15, 2013
2:08 p.m.

 

[767one]

My personal favorite was the t-shirt that had a milk carton with a, "have you seen me," picture of a stapler. Wish I could get one.

P.S. If I start rambling it's because after crunching numbers for a non-profit this morning I went and gave blood. I'm feeling especially saintly today 🙂

Bean

Giving blood is a great thing to do. I used to give but after my knee replacement I spent 17 days with an IV in my arm so I've pretty much had it with needles.