August 2013 Pilot Discussion

[Pi brat]

Thanks!! Yes. I deal in facts, not hysterical emotions. I think Silver is going to issue a stay. Odds of outright dismissal are very low.

Why? Judge says it's ripe, if so why delay?

 

[EastUS1]

snapthis: I don't possess the unethical traits that you and many of your fellow Usapians have in your DNA.

We did not say MOU passing gave us a JCBA. We said uscaba negotiated terms in the MOU in violation of their DFR.

"...uscaba negotiated terms in the MOU in violation of their DFR." Yet your own Reps were involved in the construction of it, and your bunch voted overwhelmingly in favor of it, with 97 percent for passage?

Can any of you west paradigms of "integrity" please explain that? Or even just WTF you were supposedly "thinking" to do what you did? Folks...you truly just couldn't make this kind of insane nonsense up! 🙂

 

[EastUS1]

I deal in facts, not hysterical emotions.

That's perhaps the best joke you've ever posted.Thanks for the chuckles. 🙂

 

[Zone5]

Well, still no public statement from USAPA HQ regarding the DOJ lawsuit. The news cycle has moved on for now. Maybe they are planning a full page ad in USAToday. Let's not forget that 75% of the pilot group voted for the MOU and by implication support the merger. But HQ only listens to the pilots when they need a vote, or so it seems.

If the merger were to tank, I wonder if Parker would resign. I don't know how loyal the board is to him. He managed to weather the DUI. Would Kirby then take the helm, or a dark horse like Isom? Anybody have an opinion? Anybody care?

One more thing. These incriminating internal emails which the DOJ is using as part of their case and which are being cited in news articles everywhere, how did the DOJ get access to them? Were they leaked?

NSA.


seajay

 

[snapthis]

snapthis: I don't possess the unethical traits that you and many of your fellow Usapians have in your DNA.



"...uscaba negotiated terms in the MOU in violation of their DFR." Yet your own Reps were involved in the construction of it, and your bunch voted overwhelmingly in favor of it, with 97 percent for passage?

Could any of you west paradigms of "integrity" please explain that? Or even just WTF you were supposedly "thinking" to do what you did? Folks...you truly just couldn't make this kind of insane nonsense up! 🙂

I have an idea.

Let's do away with handshakes, mediation and arbitration all together.

That way, we don't have to bother with the unethical behavior of those who refuse to abide by a process unless they are dragged into court.

 

[EastUS1]

"...uscaba negotiated terms in the MOU in violation of their DFR." Yet your own Reps were involved in the construction of it, and your bunch voted overwhelmingly in favor of it, with 97 percent for passage?

Can any of you west paradigms of "integrity" please explain that?

I have an idea.

Me too. Try answering the frikkin' question without the standard chest pounding about your imaginary "integrity", and nothing more than shuck and jive evasions. 😉

 

[Metroyet]

Why? Judge says it's ripe, if so why delay?

*If* its still ripe enough, it will proceed. Know more later. Why do you suppose USAPA. Is once again ALONE on the Islamd not wanting to hear the resolution of this case? One would think "supreme confidence" would dictate an expeditious attitude. I wonder why that isn't the case?

 

[Pi brat]

*If* its still ripe enough, it will proceed. Know more later. Why do you suppose USAPA. Is once again ALONE on the Islamd not wanting to hear the resolution of this case? One would think "supreme confidence" would dictate an expeditious attitude. I wonder why that isn't the case?

Because for any party to argue other than they did makes their case weaker. I think the judge even asking if she should postpone the case makes her position weaker.

 

[Pi brat]

Your attorneys had to plead as they did but I bet they secretly pray she postpona the trial.

 

[Claxon]

*If* its still ripe enough, it will proceed. Know more later. Why do you suppose USAPA. Is once again ALONE on the Islamd not wanting to hear the resolution of this case? One would think "supreme confidence" would dictate an expeditious attitude. I wonder why that isn't the case?

Sure it is ripe. You have a MOU with another airline the DOJ clearly is intent on blocking with vigor. Now your argument is the MOU is a JCBA with that airline. Press on!
This is going to be hilarious, but the best part will be the depositions.

 

[Beancounter]

Oh. I get it. Personal vendetta. Like the one we had with Metrojet who isn't a pilot for us but yet chimes in with totally useless and non factual posts and continues to calling East pilots scabs. You attack people that support our position but are not pilots yet continue to agree and encourage those on your side of the river that support you and are not pilots.

Another wasted point on your attempt.

No, i've actually defended Claxon a couple times. Look at some of Claxon's previous posts and you'll understand why i challenged him.

Bean

 

[Phoenix]

*If* its still ripe enough, it will proceed. Know more later. Why do you suppose USAPA. Is once again ALONE on the Islamd not wanting to hear the resolution of this case? One would think "supreme confidence" would dictate an expeditious attitude. I wonder why that isn't the case?

Do you understand the premise of the statements that each made?

Everyone except USAPA assumed the reason they are in court on the 24th is because of a dispute between East and West... That is not true. The only reason there is a court date set for the 24th is because Silver ordered everyone to appear... If the underlying facts and assumptions that supported Silver's order have changed then her order may not be justified anymore.

The 9th would have a freaking cow if Silver proceeds on an assumed justicable controversy, contrary to the facts. The three court jesters from USAir, AMR, and Leospanker did not even address the legal premise necessary to support having the trial. They just yelled, like any lawyer that can't support their position with facts and law.

 

[Beancounter]

I got your point right out of the gate. Bean's qualifications were commensurate and nothing out of the ordinary, and replaceable by a pilot with less. So what? His post was in reply to Claxhole, who daily shows his stupidity of the airline industry, and dislike of the fact that AWA bought his bankrupt carrier and saved his job.

when Bean was hired, the only options for a major airline job were at the big 3...AWA, SWA, and JBA. A rusted out has been about to be liquidated #### hole like AAA was too busy furloughing and burning furniture to even think about hiring a pilot who had probably twice the qualifications that the average again furloughed east pilot had in 1988.

Thanks for the clearification. I get tired of the, "AWA was the only airline that would hire you garbage." Yes, because they were the only airline hiring! They were my second choice behind Alaska, who was only hiring off and on. It wasn't until two internal recs and hounding them at job fairs that i got a call and i felt darn lucky.

Bean

 

[snapthis]

"...uscaba negotiated terms in the MOU in violation of their DFR." Yet your own Reps were involved in the construction of it, and your bunch voted overwhelmingly in favor of it, with 97 percent for passage?

Can any of you west paradigms of "integrity" please explain that?



Me too. Try answering the frikkin' question without the standard chest pounding about your imaginary "integrity", and nothing more than shuck and jive evasions. 😉

Shuck and jive. That's a Usapian dance move. Try telling the bank your mortgage is just a contract when the variable rate adjusts.

 

[EastUS1]

"...uscaba negotiated terms in the MOU in violation of their DFR." Yet your own Reps were involved in the construction of it, and your bunch voted overwhelmingly in favor of it, with 97 percent for passage?

Can any of you west paradigms of "integrity" please explain that?

Shuck and jive. That's a Usapian dance move. Try telling the bank your mortgage is just a contract when the variable rate adjusts.

OK. So you can't just give any straight and honest answer that explains the west's attempted con game with the MOU then? How predictable. No matter really. Go ahead and print up a fresh batch of "Integrity Matters" T-shirts, if you can still believe your own BS, that is. 😉

Your west Reps involved with the construction of the instrument, your best legal minds in agreement, and 97 percent of you voted in favor...but (with boastful fantasies of "integrity") it's "in violation of their DFR"? That wouldn't even read well in a comic book. 🙂