August 2013 Pilot Discussion
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This is a classic.
US Airways, the fifth-largest U.S. airline, bulked up at National in 2011 as a defensive measure against bigger rivals, going to 55 percent of takeoff and landing slots from 44 percent in a trade that let Delta Air Lines Inc. (DAL) expand at New York’s LaGuardia airport. American, which is restructuring in bankruptcy, is the third-biggest U.S. carrier And You brought what?
Well let us address these issues, 1,Noway any contract with the NIC 2, Any contract with the NIC no way BTW was no there something in ALPA MERGER POLICY stating if an integration is to costly or unusable he can void it! 3 DUI is on a tight timeline any injunction voids that also! Keep up your donations remember no ranting here just the inevitable truth ! SYIT9TH!
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MONEYWATCH
US Airways Pilots Infighting Grows Worse by the Day
January 11, 2010
If you're looking for a model for a dysfunctional pilot group, you should look no further than the US Airline Pilots Association (USAPA). That union represents the combined US Airways (US East) and America West (US West) pilot groups, but its existence has been marred by constant fighting between the two sides. Now, the US East pilots have tired of fighting others and have no turned on each other. This is an absolutely miserable situation.
The USAPA was formed after the US East pilots decided they didn't like the results of seniority arbitration (the Nicolau Award). So, they decided to toss ALPA off the property and create the USAPA, an independent union. The US West pilots couldn't do anything to stop them because the US East pilots had the majority.
Since the USAPA took over, their behavior has become increasingly questionable. In regards to the company, it appears their goal is to oppose anything management supports regardless of whether it is good or bad for them. That's the only way I can explain their opposition to the slot swap with Delta in New York and Washington. Their latest efforts have been against closing down the Las Vegas hub. Ok.
But now, the union has really lost it. There is now a ton of infighting going on within the US East pilot ranks and things are getting very ugly. USAPA Executive Vice President Dave Ciabattoni turned in his resignation from the organization's leadership team before Christmas. In it, Dave, a US East pilot, states:
I must be blunt here: the mutation of USAPA from a democratic, line pilot oriented and controlled union into the current administration that is about enrichment and ease of life style for President Cleary and his supporters is nearly complete and in record time. All of these players are US East pilots. In the new year, Dave gave more of an explanation about what his problems were with the team. He details a variety of problems with the leadership, in particular, President Mike Cleary. He makes accusations of violation of bylaws, misappropriation of money, and favoritism. It's a compelling read and it begs a single question . . . what is wrong with these people?
This is a union that continues to hold fast, refusing to budge on its stubborn position on the Nicolau Award despite court rulings against them. The US West pilots have been alienated from the beginning, yet it's the US East pilots who are in worse shape. The company offered to bring US East pilots up to the US West contract in the beginning but they have held out. Now, they've foregone higher wages for years and there doesn't appear to be any end in sight.
This has to be the most dysfunctional union around.
http://m.cbsnews.com/storysynopsis.rbml?&pageType=moneywatch&catid=43641411&feed_id=76&videofeed=43&nb_splitPage=0
It's worth repeating:
"This has to be the most dysfunctional union around. "
"Dave gave more of an explanation about what his problems were with the team. He details a variety of problems with the leadership, in particular, President Mike Cleary. He makes accusations of violation of bylaws, misappropriation of money, and favoritism. It's a compelling read and it begs a single question . . . what is wrong with these people?"
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US Airways Pilots Infighting Grows Worse by the Day
January 11, 2010
If you're looking for a model for a dysfunctional pilot group, you should look no further than the US Airline Pilots Association (USAPA). That union represents the combined US Airways (US East) and America West (US West) pilot groups, but its existence has been marred by constant fighting between the two sides. Now, the US East pilots have tired of fighting others and have no turned on each other. This is an absolutely miserable situation.
The USAPA was formed after the US East pilots decided they didn't like the results of seniority arbitration (the Nicolau Award). So, they decided to toss ALPA off the property and create the USAPA, an independent union. The US West pilots couldn't do anything to stop them because the US East pilots had the majority.
Since the USAPA took over, their behavior has become increasingly questionable. In regards to the company, it appears their goal is to oppose anything management supports regardless of whether it is good or bad for them. That's the only way I can explain their opposition to the slot swap with Delta in New York and Washington. Their latest efforts have been against closing down the Las Vegas hub. Ok.
But now, the union has really lost it. There is now a ton of infighting going on within the US East pilot ranks and things are getting very ugly. USAPA Executive Vice President Dave Ciabattoni turned in his resignation from the organization's leadership team before Christmas. In it, Dave, a US East pilot, states:
I must be blunt here: the mutation of USAPA from a democratic, line pilot oriented and controlled union into the current administration that is about enrichment and ease of life style for President Cleary and his supporters is nearly complete and in record time. All of these players are US East pilots. In the new year, Dave gave more of an explanation about what his problems were with the team. He details a variety of problems with the leadership, in particular, President Mike Cleary. He makes accusations of violation of bylaws, misappropriation of money, and favoritism. It's a compelling read and it begs a single question . . . what is wrong with these people?
This is a union that continues to hold fast, refusing to budge on its stubborn position on the Nicolau Award despite court rulings against them. The US West pilots have been alienated from the beginning, yet it's the US East pilots who are in worse shape. The company offered to bring US East pilots up to the US West contract in the beginning but they have held out. Now, they've foregone higher wages for years and there doesn't appear to be any end in sight.
This has to be the most dysfunctional union around.
http://m.cbsnews.com/storysynopsis.rbml?&pageType=moneywatch&catid=43641411&feed_id=76&videofeed=43&nb_splitPage=0
It's worth repeating:
"This has to be the most dysfunctional union around. "
"Dave gave more of an explanation about what his problems were with the team. He details a variety of problems with the leadership, in particular, President Mike Cleary. He makes accusations of violation of bylaws, misappropriation of money, and favoritism. It's a compelling read and it begs a single question . . . what is wrong with these people?"
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"Mut" is spelled with a double "t"...."Mutt."
OK! Mine goes as yours, sounds good to me!
Now the highest paid pilot makes a 330 capt wage?
CARD DRIVE , Put up or shut up!
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As you can see from the article, he has his favorites, Luv.
DUI DOUG poor taste? I say reality you might try it! What WEST CLASS? you voted for an MOU, or was that a CBA? Now did you endorse the Kirby proposal or not, 3% cmon what goes next 1% LMFAO!
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Patience Grasshopper.
Don't worry about me, M&M.
Worry about your Skittles defence.
In other words ball-none we already know!
Defence???????? Is that when the 30 yr fence around Phoenix comes down.
Put those high heels on, the Back Bay Band is playing for Marty. Seems the donations have slowed to a trickle.
Roll out Cleardirect, we miss your bipolar side.
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