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"liquidation" not even close, you a pants wetter, youy are the reason we are on LOA 93.
WRONG! Brookman, Freshwater and Mowery are the reasons we are on LOA 93. They passed on the best offer and held out for this piece of #### against the advice of our advisors and then claimed it was OUR FAULT. I was at the MEC meeting when this took place...were you?
 
WRONG! ....I was at the MEC meeting when this took place...were you?

Who cares? Did YOU vote for it? I'm guessing and hoping, for the sake of any further discussion, that you also did NOT.

For this one Brother?...We must take a proper hit, regarding the mindless/spineless gullibilty of far too many amongst us.
 
WRONG! Brookman, Freshwater and Mowery are the reasons we are on LOA 93. They passed on the best offer and held out for this piece of #### against the advice of our advisors and then claimed it was OUR FAULT. I was at the MEC meeting when this took place...were you?
Hey MORON it was a vote!
 
PM towards the Wager; if you've ever any interest in even pretending to be a "pilot", little mouse. 🙂

Sigh! Could/Would any of "you'se"...umm..."spartan"...err..."pilots" kindly explain to me how/why such as that can get "minus votes"...but NEVER any responsive PM's/challenge acceptance? 😉

It's been an open wager here since 2007.....?

I see cactusboy53-"this is sparta" lurking, and I must honestly ask: How do you people actually live with yourselves, when all you amount to is literally nothing more than cartoon characters/complete village idiots, and just pathetic little jokes? 🙂

Wager's always open. PM if interested...and did I ever mention just how much "you'se"..umm.."spartans" bore me to tears? For pissant "politicians" like cactusboy: No need to fret. I've asked, and been assured that streaming video could be easilly mounted to capture your/my every facial expression throughout the flying event. Up for it?..."mighty spartan"..umm..laughing-my-arse-off-...err..."pilot"? 😉 "you'se" can step out from behind being merely "Bugs Bunny", little "spartan"...and show the entire, streaming internet World just how "tough" a "pilot".."you'se" really are. Up for it, little cactus"boy"? 🙂
 
Don't forget to get a side order of "cost neutral" bean salad.
Us Airways and america worst airlines did have a cost nuetral contract at the beginning of the merger. All Parkers attempts at bk airlines, he offered the other airline pilots money. IE: america worst, united, dal and amr pilots equity, so they would work against the East pilots.

america worst and Us Airways pilots had a zero nuetral cost. alpa shills agreed on giving west pilots 10 percent retirement contributions, profit sharing and jump seat, regardless of weight and balance.

Nice try alpa shills. alpa, you're fired!



Hey, I have Christmas off this year, hope you do too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFGfCn5rKIM
 
america west pilots, keep sending money to the army of lyingitas. The seniority integration is just around the corner.

"United MEC Update for Friday, August 27, 2010, (three years ago)

This is MEC Communications Chairman First Officer Steve Scheri.


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Letter From United MEC Merger Committee

Fellow United Pilots,

Your Merger Committee is about to enter the negotiation phase of the Seniority List Integration (SLI) process. We have spent the past several months accumulating our pilot seniority data, exchanging the pilot seniority list with the CAL Merger Committee and analyzing the CAL seniority list. In the upcoming integrated seniority list negotiation phase, we want to get to an “apples to apples” comparison of our respective pilot groups to the maximum extent possible. Please note that the seniority list negotiation phase is separate and apart from JCBA (Joint Collective Bargaining Agreement) negotiations being conducted by the Joint Negotiating Committee. The negotiating committees deal with the contract while the merger committees deal with seniority list integration. In past seniority list integrations, the two sides have typically been able to reach some agreement on treatment of pilots on military leave, sick leave/disability, etc. during the seniority list integration negotiations.

We will also continue to further analyze the two pilot lists in an effort to understand fully any anomalies in the two lists. We expect that this will be an on-going process: this is precisely the subject on which we want to be thorough as opposed to expedient. As we told you in our first letter after the Merger announcement, we will leave no stone unturned in our quest to protect every United Airlines pilot. You should expect our counterparts on the CAL committee to do the same.

Our concern is that there is still too much erroneous “noise” on the line about the seniority integration. To be perfectly clear: there is no integrated seniority list, and therefore no integration methodology that has been blessed. Continued discussion of these speculative integration concepts, in forums either public or seemingly private, does not serve any constructive purpose. At best, you raise your blood pressure a few points; at worst, this fallacious gossip hampers our ability to best represent you in our efforts to achieve a “Fair and Equitable” seniority integration as required by ALPA Merger Policy. Past litigation should make it clear to all of us that there is no such thing as a “private” forum on which pilots can air their thoughts. Postings on a supposedly “secure” forum have also been interjected into seniority list integration proceedings. That is another reason for us to warn you against publicizing our attempts to contact some of you, or about openly speculating about what we are doing on your behalf.

Many of you have been reaching out to us with ideas, information and questions. If we don’t immediately respond to your individual or collective communications, please do not fret. We are contacting many pilots who have offered us information and the tapestry of that information may be just as important as a particular strand. Again, this is definitely where we think we best serve your interests by being thorough rather than expedient.

We realize that a pilot’s place on the integrated seniority list is a topic of great importance to all. We certainly understand that there are enormous consequences for every United pilot: career expectations, financial considerations and quality of life. We ask you to remember that your Merger Committee is purposefully diverse in our make-up, from senior to junior. We hope you understand that while each of us brings a unique seniority perspective to our task, we are all committed to fully representing and defending every United pilot, senior to junior.

Thank you again for your support expressed in cockpit visits, flight ops, and council meetings.

Fraternally,

The UALMEC Merger Committee"
 
"MEC Chairman’s Message

February 8, 2008

This is MEC Chairman Jack Stephan with a chairman’s message to the pilots for Friday, February 08, 2008.
After nine days of talks between the US Airways and America West Steering Committees, the America West contingent has chosen to stand down talks. At this time they are not prepared to address seniority implementation issues, specifically, mitigating the damages caused by the Nicolau Award.

Recall that we met to determine if we had enough common ground between us on important issues to come up with a comprehensive counterproposal for both MECs to review. As we told you, this counterproposal would have to adequately address not only all open JNC issues, but more importantly for the AAA pilots, pay parity and seniority protection. We came to the neutral site at Wye River, MD with these goals in mind, and within these goals we developed certain thresholds needing to be achieved for the benefit of the US Airways pilots. Despite what you may have heard or read, none of that changed during the meeting.
While we respect what the AWA pilots were there to accomplish, the US Airways MEC’s position remains the same and our MEC’s Steering Committee members did not compromise that position. We never wavered from our goal of protecting you from the Nicolau Award, and our threshold for meeting those goals never changed.
I’ll be calling the MEC into session for a special meeting next week. While there is no comprehensive counterproposal to bring back to the MEC, they'll receive a briefing on the process, and I plan to add two other items to the agenda: developing a distribution methodology for 2007 Profit Sharing and Stock Options and to review an agreement extending the timeframe for filing disputes concerning flow-through issues.
The MEC will now review our options. Keep in mind that the odds of any plan we develop succeeding are greatly diminished by members of this MEC continuing to cower behind their fear of failure and seeking to sabotage any process we elect to pursue. You can see that all of the noise and accusations coming out of PHL Council 41 about the work of our Steering Committee was unfounded and disingenuous. When it came time to meet directly with our AWA counterparts, we did exactly what we said we would, AAA pilots working with AWA pilots trying to mitigate the damages of the Nicolau Award.
Excuses and alibis will not replace leadership. We made a promise, and we kept it. There was no cramdown, no end-run deal, no deal chasing and no back room conspiracies. I hope you did not fall for these contrived ideas spread in order to try and scare you. The majority of this MEC and your MEC officers are not afraid of failure. We said we were going to look under every stone to find solutions and we meant it. My only fear is that some of our MEC fear the search may actually produce something that would require
them to lead rather than criticize. I can tell you that the majority of your MEC was
willing to continue the search. Although this process has not worked so far, we are no
worse off for engaging in the exercise.
You would have been extremely proud of our team of pilots who met at the Wye River
Conference Center. These are men of honor and integrity and they are most importantly,
men of their word. Their commitment to the process and to you was rock solid. Threats
and intimidation attempts by some minority disenchanted MEC members and paper tigers
did not sway these men of honor from pursuing the direction that the majority of the
MEC had set. They did their best trying to reach a solution to the Nicolau Award. At this
time the AWA pilots are unwilling to address our seniority concerns.

Again, we are no worse off for having engaged in this process. We remain right where we started and that
is in separate operations with the West.



I thank you for your patience during the past few weeks. I know it’s been difficult. There
will be other options at our disposal after the MEC gets the chance to strategize internally
next week. While conditions and opportunities may change, the goal has not and our
threshold for success has not. Our mission remains the same, to protect you from the
damages caused by the Nicolau Award.

Thank you for listening. As always, fly safe and continue to look out for each other."

USAPA just took over the mission goal from alpa.
 
PM towards the Wager; if you've ever any interest in even pretending to be a "pilot", little mouse. 🙂

As always; yet more "minus votes", without any pathetic little "spartan"...umm...."pilot" yet having what's personally needed to step up and accept...? 😉

How am I not supposed to just properly laugh? Seriously: How could I/ANYONE do otherwise than laugh? 🙂

Umm..you sure "you'se" kids won't send me any of your "way-cool-Dude-"Integrity" or even (hot damm!) "dire wolves" T-shirts?. 🙂
 
WRONG! Brookman, Freshwater and Mowery are the reasons we are on LOA 93. They passed on the best offer and held out for this piece of #### against the advice of our advisors and then claimed it was OUR FAULT. I was at the MEC meeting when this took place...were you?

Real men of genius who negotiated less than what the company offered.
 
PM towards the Wager; if you've ever any interest in even pretending to be a "pilot", little mouse. 🙂

Sigh! Could/Would any of "you'se"...umm..."spartan"...err..."pilots" kindly explain to me how/why such as that can get "minus votes"...but NEVER any responsive PM's/challenge acceptance? 😉

It's been an open wager here since 2007.....?

I see cactusboy53-"this is sparta" lurking, and I must honestly ask: How do you people actually live with yourselves, when all you amount to is literally nothing more than cartoon characters/complete village idiots, and just pathetic little jokes? 🙂

Wager's always open. PM if interested...and did I ever mention just how much "you'se"..umm.."spartans" bore me to tears? For pissant "politicians" like cactusboy: No need to fret. I've asked, and been assured that streaming video could be easilly mounted to capture your/my every facial expression throughout the flying event. Up for it?..."mighty spartan"..umm..laughing-my-arse-off-...err..."pilot"? 😉 "you'se" can step out from behind being merely "Bugs Bunny", little "spartan"...and show the entire, streaming internet World just how "tough" a "pilot".."you'se" really are. Up for it, little cactus"boy"? 🙂
Awwww, EastUS is feeling ignored again.
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Awwww, EastUS is feeling ignored again.

Sigh! Best you stick to the "internet tough guy", "spartan" and "pilot" fantasies princess. After all: That's obviously all your sort's really got to offer. Wager's always open. Go ask your mommy, or even the self-styled "supreme commander" of your precious little "army" if you can come out and play. Well...I'm waiting...? What'd she say? 🙂

Previously noted: I see cactusboy53-"this is sparta" lurking, and I must honestly ask: How do you people actually live with yourselves, when all you amount to is literally nothing more than cartoon characters/complete village idiots, and just pathetic little jokes? 🙂
 
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