August 2013 Pilot Discussion

[traderjake]

And what have you done to try and improve things for anyone? Your push with Chip to recall the CLT reps doesn't count.....that was not a positive thing for the pilot group, just more traitor tactics. You just sit back and complain all the time. breeze

I helped ensure you got to vote on the MOU, dimwit.

 

[traderjake]

Low pay to the last day, verses the NIC!

Hopefully the merger happens and what you think won't matter anymore.

You'll have the last 7 years of low pay and the NIC.

 

[traderjake]

He is under the Munn spell!!! dazed, confused and stupid. Could you imagine having to work with this ahole, wonder if he opens his mouth in the crew room and tells everyone we should take the NIC, bet not.

Does this mean we're not pals again?

 

[mrbreeze]

I helped ensure you got to vote on the MOU, dimwit.

I have seen no proof that you have done anything but sit back and #### about your East pilots brothers. All you do is put us down.....I haven't seen anything productive from you at all.....just more bit.hing....all the time. Nothing productive. Claim to be a warrior with Chip and see where you end up in the long run.....same respect that Chip gets from 99% of the pilot group.

 

[traderjake]

All you do is put us down.....

You put yourself down when you reneged on a mutually agreed upon arbitration process.

The everyone sees you for for what you are.

 

[Claxon]

"luvthe9, on 30 August 2013 - 03:56 PM, said:
Stop your whining Traitor YOU voted for LOA 93 so just live with it."

I voted for it when we were facing liquidation, you're happy to stay on it when we're making record profits.

Go ahead and retire on it, fat man.

You blinked and still do now. When daddy gives you everything, college, job at Pieeeeedmont, your spine never fully develops.

 

[Claxon]

Well if the scab union didn't feel the need to violate the law with impunity, there wouldn't need to be the lawsuits. But you can't fix stupid, but you can hold it's head under the LOA93 waterline until it dies.

Spoken from your typical america west pilot scab and bottom of the barrel wage earner for years. Short memory these real scabs have.

http://web.mit.edu/airlinedata/www/Documents/Employees%20and%20Compensation/AVG%20WAGE%20-%20Pilots%20and%20Copilots.pdf

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5t5aE0iW4o

 

[traderjake]

Claxon, on 29 August 2013 - 11:40 AM, said:

I am here to take your pants down with your own videos, quotes and tweets. At your service!

 

[nycbusdriver]

And my favorite post read tonight was the well intentioned guy saying he saved the "screen" of his vote on LOA 93. We had no such voting. It was paper!

Even if internet voting were available, saving the screen is meaningless. Since electronic voting allows the voter to change his/her vote until the election closes, one could save the "politically correct" screen for posterity and bragging rights, then go back and change the vote.

That's s similar tactic used in years gone by for agents to get people into First Class for free. They would enter the info, and print out the roster for the flight attendants. Once the hard copy was printed, they would undo the upgrade in the computer. I don't think it's possible anymore.

 

[snapthis]

Do you not realize that most of the east pilots are looking forward to having APA as their union? But USAPA has indeed kept the west from stealing the east jobs and for that I applaud them!

The East pilots may want the APA, but the "union" who represents East pilots sends mixed signals. USAPA reminds me of the Obama administration with it's Syria policy. Its called paralysis.

The quotes I provided were just a few of the numerous comments expressing frustration with USAPA. If East pilots and West pilots are both saying, "we want the APA" at the same time, we have USAPA supporters saying the merger is dead.

Bottom line, these jockstraps are looking out for their own interests. They want to keep their cozy positions and suck of the udder on the highest dues in the industry while you remain on LOA 93.

Something about cutting off the nose to spite the face comes to mind.

 

[nycbusdriver]

The East pilots may want the APA, but the "union" who represents East pilots sends mixed signals. USAPA reminds me of the Obama administration with it's Syria policy. Its called paralysis.

The quotes I provided were just a few of the numerous comments expressing frustration with USAPA. If East pilots and West pilots are both saying, "we want the APA" at the same time, we have USAPA supporters saying the merger is dead.

Bottom line, these jockstraps are looking out for their own interests. They want to keep their cozy positions and suck of the udder on the highest dues in the industry while you remain on LOA 93.

Something about cutting off the nose to spite the face comes to mind.

I agree, in principle but not in degree, with what you have said in this post.

But, since you mentioned it in passing, I believe the merger will go through. The judge's decision to accede to the companies' request for an earlier date seems to signal her realization that a Spring, 2014, trial would doom an otherwise viable transaction and give the DOJ a de facto victory which they may not realize when the facts are heard in court. She is holding the DOJ's feet to the fire and, IMHO, they will negotiate a deal before the trial date.

 

[snapthis]

I agree, in principle but not in degree, with what you have said in this post.

But, since you mentioned it in passing, I believe the merger will go through. The judge's decision to accede to the companies' request for an earlier date seems to signal her realization that a Spring, 2014, trial would doom an otherwise viable transaction and give the DOJ a de facto victory which they may not realize when the facts are heard in court. She is holding the DOJ's feet to the fire and, IMHO, they will negotiate a deal before the trial date.

I think it was the DOJ's hope by wanting a March trial, that a trial would not be necessary. By then, investors get cold feet and the merger falls apart.

 

[EastUS1]

I think it was the DOJ's hope by wanting a March trial, that a trial would not be necessary. By then, investors get cold feet and the merger falls apart.

Yep. Typically high-smellin' and low-down crap. Something I imagine we can agree on here, is that it would be most interesting to know the real backroom politics that are behind this DOJ BS...which we never will, of course. One thing's certain though; it all has nothing whatsoever to do with what's best for either airline workers or the public. 😉 Umm...and while the glorious guv-mint's "helping out" all the "little people": How's that FBI we're-just-kidding, non-"investigation" of the IRS going? 🙂

 

[Phoenix]

Yep. Typically high-smellin' and low-down crap. Something I imagine we can agree on here, is that it would be most interesting to know the real backroom politics that are behind this DOJ BS...which we never will, of course. One thing's certain though; it all has nothing whatsoever to do with what's best for either airline workers or the public. 😉 Umm...and while the glorious guv-mint's "helping out" all the "little people": How's that FBI we're-just-kidding, non-"investigation" into the IRS going? 🙂

Agreed. None of us have ever been invited to a dinner party with those that will benefit the most from this political stunt.. Well except for a select few pilot "leaders" from ALPA national, the APA board, and maybe USAPA BPR but doubtfull... And then only as brief guests to be told their judas goat duties to sway the lambs to pipe down and move along quietly to wherever the stockyard lines lead. Some accuse me of being cynical.

 

[snapthis]

Yep. Typically high-smellin' and low-down crap. Something I imagine we can agree on here, is that it would be most interesting to know the real backroom politics that are behind this DOJ BS...which we never will, of course. One thing's certain though; it all has nothing whatsoever to do with what's best for either airline workers or the public. 😉 Umm...and while the glorious guv-mint's "helping out" all the "little people": How's that FBI we're-just-kidding, non-"investigation" into the IRS going? 🙂

It makes me wonder the goals of the DOJ. They worry about the merger driving up ticket prices. Let's say they manage to stop the merger, then what? If American can't stand alone and fails then you have fewer seats and higher fares after all. The flip side is the government, seeing another airline possibly failing, will have to do another bail-out.

They need to leave this thing alone and let the free market work or not.

Let it live or die on it's own. That way, it gives Parker fewer excuses if another merger slips through his hands.