August 2013 Pilot Discussion

[Hate2fly]

Metro,

Silver is in dangerous territory. I hope she tries to give the west a seat at the table. She will be spanked just like Wake.

Hate

 

[traderjake]

American will never arbitrate for starters.

And Kasher will pay.

American will never agree to DOH.

 

[767one]

USAirways was such a cash flow giant that we went bankrupt twice.

USAir made money before deregualtion, that was a long time ago.

Actually,

Allegheny made very little money until deregulation (1978) but what little they made they spent wisely. Allegheny/USAir made a lot of money between 1978 and the early 90's and then after nearly going bankrupt in 91? or thereabout actually had some more good years until a couple of years after the Rocky and Bullwinkle show started (Wolf and Gangwal). Since then a few good years and some really really really bad years.

All the best,

Bob

 

[nic4us]

1984,

Never happen! It will be APA and USAPA. Nobody can give the west class certification. The NMB will be parachuting into the AZ courtroom if Silver tries to grant the west class a seat at the table. Not going to happen---ever!

Hate

"Nobody can give the west class certification". ????

Um,,,,it has already been done 3 times.


And, a review of MB is in order. I am under the impression that the company can invimte any interested parties, and the arbitration panel will decide an outcome based on presentations given.

Usapa is in such a deep hole on this deal, DFR if they do DFR if they don't, no matter what the scab union presents, it is near irrefutable proof they are in failure of their DFR.

Unless of course they come to the process using the Nic.

 

[Hate2fly]

Nic4,

Who certified the west?

Hate

 

[Phoenix]

Nic4,

Who certified the west?

Hate

S/he thinks certification in a dismissed lawsuit is equivalent to NMB certification to represent in negotiations. Wishful amateurs.

 

[Reed Richards]

Reading the discussion on class status in M/B here, It starting to be clear that there are indeed pilots posing here as members who are not. Any member of USAPA can go to the legal library on the USAPA website and should have already read the document written by Wilder and Son that was submitted to Judge Silver. It not only makes some strong arguments, but it counters the revisionist history of class status presented to Silver by the Company lawyer. Many of the arguments being made here lately are, well, made up. My favorite one earlier was it simply is "right" to give them class status at the table. Yeah, that's how the law works. Nic4us especially is as full of it as a Christmas turkey. RR

 

[Claxon]

If you still believe that a DOH seniority list is even remotely an option I'd say you're the clueless one.

One way or another, you're not going to dictate the terms of any SLI to anyone, at any time. You'll just stay on LOA93 making $50/hr less than everybody else that flys airplanes for a living. Delta and Alaska have closed out two contracts since USTUPID was voted in.

You know that if the East pilots were told they'd still be on LOA93 5+ years after the vote, with no end in sight, there is no way in hell USAPA would be here.

USAPA has been an utterly complete failure and there isn't a soul working in aviation that doesn't know that.

Since the nic award 2007, west pilots stagnant. East pilots upgrading to wide body aircraft. East pilots in large numbers upgrade to captain. Reserves became block holders. west pilots flying airbus and 757 for the same pay rate stuck in the same position flying the PHX airport regional service since the nic. USAPA followed through on their promise, no nic and advancement by date of hire.

Every pilot knows now that the East pilots changed the alpa chameleon approch to seniority for good through their courage and dedication.

Use your america west pilot bag tags proudly, the rest of the industry wants to know.

If you are so proud of america worst, wear a tag on your bag saying so. All I have seen from you bottom of the barrel america west hires is Us Airways and American tags hoping to look like a real major airline pilot. Sad lot.

 

[nic4us]

Reading the discussion on class status in M/B here, It starting to be clear that there are indeed pilots posing here as members who are not. Any member of USAPA can go to the legal library on the USAPA website and should have already read the document written by Wilder and Son that was submitted to Judge Silver. It not only makes some strong arguments, but it counters the revisionist history of class status presented to Silver by the Company lawyer. Many of the arguments being made here lately are, well, made up. My favorite one earlier was it simply is "right" to give them class status at the table. Yeah, that's how the law works. Nic4us especially is as full of it as a Christmas turkey. RR

First off, I do not go to the uscaba web site for anything. That would be like gong to Ex Iranian president AhmadiNejad's personal research library for the truth about the holocaust.

Wilder's opinions are just that opinions, and they are not widely held in the RLA community

Freund, Seigel,, even Seeham have stated opinions contrary to Wilder's.

Further, any arbitrators selected are obviously well aware of the Nicolau award, and the founding of the scab DFR union. Your fake union is the one on dangerous ground. not the company, not Silver, not Seigel or the West, regardless of what you pay Wilder to say.

 

[nic4us]

Use your america west pilot bag tags proudly, the rest of the industry wants to know.

If you are so proud of america worst, wear a tag on your bag saying so. All I have seen from you bottom of the barrel america west hires is Us Airways and American tags hoping to look like a real major airline pilot. Sad lot.

Well, I guess you have never seen my bag, or the hundreds of other West pilots sporting AWA tags, CACTUS tags....oh, and my personal favorite...USAPA is. SCAB UNION.

 

[Claxon]

CACTUS tags....oh, and my personal favorite...USAPA is. SCAB UNION.

Nice tag. Please wear that around as many ual pilots as you can in the next coming months.

 

[Claxon]

767jetz and ual pilots, your welcome.

http://www.thestreet.com/story/12032854/1/united-pilot-seniority-list-reflects-turmoil-after-us-airways-ruling.html?puc=yahoo&cm_ven=YAHOO

 

[Claxon]

And, a review of MB is in order. I am under the impression that the company can invimte any interested parties, and the arbitration panel will decide an outcome based on presentations given.

American Pilots will not go to arbitration. Per the MB amendment it only goes to arbitration if the two unions do not agree on a list which will include fences, conditions and restrictions.

The MB amendment was due to the way American Pilots handled their own TWA seniority, they are not going to put their heads on the chopping block and go to arbitration. Unless alpa and nic will agree to do it.

Hey, how has your pilot advancement gone at awa seperate ops since USAPA was voted in?

 

[Pi brat]

First off, I do not go to the uscaba web site for anything.

You are a non-member and a non-payer, aren't you? AKA, a tick.

 

[Piedmont1984]

I still say that if USAPA gave the west class status, neither the company nor Silver would object and the NMB would have no interest in obstructing what could be, at long last, a solution to this six year dispute.

Those of you who continue to spin the DOH or nothing approach as a sure USAPA victory, all I can say is, this will be the first one.

And RR, this conversation should be of no interest to you since the merger is dead, right?

'84