August 2013 Pilot Discussion

[Reed Richards]

If the West Class suffers a loss in Silver's court, could they be required to pay USAPA's legal costs? That would be a most interesting assessment, requiring pilots not even in the union to pony up...after all, are they not all part of the class? Or maybe just the named parties in the complaint pay. Anyone? RR

 

[Claxon]

I still say that if USAPA gave the west class status, neither the company nor Silver would object and the NMB would have no interest in obstructing what could be, at long last, a solution to this six year dispute.

Those of you who continue to spin the DOH or nothing approach as a sure USAPA victory, all I can say is, this will be the first one.

And RR, this conversation should be of no interest to you since the merger is dead, right?

'84

Your choice to only squat while voiding is part of the problem.

 

[Reed Richards]

I still say that if USAPA gave the west class status, neither the company nor Silver would object and the NMB would have no interest in obstructing what could be, at long last, a solution to this six year dispute.

Those of you who continue to spin the DOH or nothing approach as a sure USAPA victory, all I can say is, this will be the first one.

And RR, this conversation should be of no interest to you since the merger is dead, right?

'84

Who would be sued for a DFR if the supposed new party did not act in the best interest of their "class” at the table? I have been asking that here for a long time. And as long as there is pending litigation against USAPA in Federal Court asking for a seat at the table, I will continue to debate here, regardless of the fact the merger is dead.
And why does anyone think USAPA agreeing to anything like a new class would not be subject to a DFR from other members on the East? There might be a "price" that could be paid to East members to allow such a thing, but for 8 years Parker has unwilling to pay anything to aid in unity. I have been assured at the highest levels that USAPA is prepared to go to war over the issue of Class Status in M/B. But I am probably just making it up to seem important. Moot anyway with the no go merger. I am sorry you consider DOH to be spin, it has been the law in two of our last three completed mergers, in fact they have been straight DOH with very few C & Rs. (the EAL pilots at Trump being the small NIC exception.) RR

 

[cactusboy53]

Metro,

Silver is in dangerous territory. I hope she tries to give the west a seat at the table. She will be spanked just like Wake.

Hate

Hate;

Actually Judge Silver said USAPA would be on "DANGEROUS GROUND". Revisionist history will NOT WORK. Everyone gets it save for USAPA and the USAPA - faithful.

CB

 

[Pi brat]

Hate;

Actually Judge Silver said USAPA would be on "DANGEROUS GROUND". Revisionist history will NOT WORK. Everyone gets it save for USAPA and the USAPA - faithful.

CB

She also said she couldn't rule they way you want............


Oh, I'm sorry, you are ignoring me.

 

[Pi brat]

Actually,

Allegheny made very little money until deregulation (1978) but what little they made they spent wisely. Allegheny/USAir made a lot of money between 1978 and the early 90's and then after nearly going bankrupt in 91? or thereabout actually had some more good years until a couple of years after the Rocky and Bullwinkle show started (Wolf and Gangwal). Since then a few good years and some really really really bad years.

All the best,

Bob

I have to tell you Bob, I grew up with PI, so I wasn't happy with the US/PI merger. But, my Dad is a much wiser guy than me and he told me that I had to get over it. He said I know worked for US and I owed it to them, if I took their money, to make it the best I could. I did my best and will never regret his advice.

Many forget that at one time US Air had the strongest balance sheet in the US airline industry. Things change and companies have to adapt, but some of the very best folks I have worked with came from US Air.

 

[Claxon]

Hate;

Actually Judge Silver said USAPA would be on "DANGEROUS GROUND". Revisionist history will NOT WORK. Everyone gets it save for USAPA and the USAPA - faithful.

CB

The 9th will never get it either. Hey cactusboy, what has been your america west pilot advancement since USAPA? Did you move up to the 757 even though at america west it pays the same?

 

[Black Swan]

Nic4,

Who certified the west?

Hate

Nobody did. It takes the NMB. It is in the same file as the Nicolau seniority list the West asked for and never got. No class, no Nic.

 

[Reed Richards]

Hate;

Actually Judge Silver said USAPA would be on "DANGEROUS GROUND". Revisionist history will NOT WORK. Everyone gets it save for USAPA and the USAPA - faithful.

CB

I agree that Silver is not on "dangerous ground" in contemplating a seat at the table for the West Class. How can there be any danger at all (other than the professional embarrassment type she soon faces on her current path) making a ruling about a process in a merger that not only has not happened, but will not. I guess that is what our court system is for; to consider possibilities and pre-crime. Somebody call Tom Cruise! RR

 

[Black Swan]

"Nobody can give the west class certification". ????

Um,,,,it has already been done 3 times.


And, a review of MB is in order. I am under the impression that the company can invimte any interested parties, and the arbitration panel will decide an outcome based on presentations given.

Usapa is in such a deep hole on this deal, DFR if they do DFR if they don't, no matter what the scab union presents, it is near irrefutable proof they are in failure of their DFR.

Unless of course they come to the process using the Nic.

Sure, using the list you demanded, and they said simply, "NO"

 

[Claxon]

Hate;

Actually Judge Silver said USAPA would be on "DANGEROUS GROUND". Revisionist history will NOT WORK. Everyone gets it save for USAPA and the USAPA - faithful.

CB

united pilots get it. Say hi to as many united pilots you can in the next few months and tell them you are a west pilot.

 

[Claxon]

Hi ual pilot my name is cactusboy dave from america west and I was hired in 1999. Oh, ual pilot you were hired in 1999 also and you were furloughed from ual and now you are upgrading? Who is responsible for such pirate activities?

 

[Hate2fly]

1984,

USAPA can't give the west status. If they try that maneuver they will be facing another DFR from the east pilots. The west has the same representation as the east it's called USAPA. The only reason the army wants a seat at the table is to force the process to arbitration. Not going to happen!

Hate

 

[nic4us]

united pilots get it. Say hi to as many united pilots you can in the next few months and tell them your a west pilot.

Already have dumbshot.

Let's see one was CAL, and not very happy about the SLI. The other was UAL and said he could not believe the east holes were still as big of ef ups as they were in 2000 only way worse, and stupid enough to think they could get out of binding arbitration by voting in a new union.


Most of the time I never bring up LCC's dirty laundry, but it always seems to come out when the OAL jumpseater says so how things going with the West ans their case against the idiots!

 

[Reed Richards]

The new rationalization argument from the West Class is the longevity issues resolved at UAL/CAL do not affect U/AWA since that was not the policy at ALPA in 2005. Fast forward we are now in 2013, two separate contracts, two separate lists, and a Company that now says there is not a contractual combined list on our property (I keep dreaming of actually seeing one of those Section 22 grievance letters. I feel like I am hunting snipe!) First of all, we are not ALPA. In a couple of years, when the litigation ends, USAPA will pursue its DOH path with conditions and restrictions. We have quite a while to work on those issues; meanwhile almost 500 of us will retire in the next 30 months. RR