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EastUS1, on 09 July 2013 - 04:55 PM, said: Anything ever coming from you ALWAYS is. Refresh our collective memory here: How'd that "done deal"/sure-thing/no-possible-doubt-about-it merger with UAL that you promised all actually work out? 🙂 No further comment required. 😉

A320Driver,

With all due respect, .......I hope this clears up this discussion once and for all.

No respect is due you here at all. You might at least, first develop a sufficiently discerning "intellect" to determine who-in-hell you're even responding to. Sigh!...Words just fail me.

Per: "I hope this clears up this discussion once and for all." It certainly should. Your ramblings bring the very concept of willfully oblivious up to new and uncharted levels. 🙂
 
Anything ever coming from you ALWAYS is. Refresh our collective memory here: How'd that "done deal"/sure-thing/no-possible-doubt-about-it merger with UAL that you promised all actually work out? 🙂 No further comment required. 😉

Hey East, which time????????????? LOL!
 
EastUS1, on 09 July 2013 - 04:55 PM, said: Anything ever coming from you ALWAYS is. Refresh our collective memory here: How'd that "done deal"/sure-thing/no-possible-doubt-about-it merger with UAL that you promised all actually work out? 🙂 No further comment required. 😉



No respect is due you here at all. You might at least, first develop a sufficiently discerning "intellect" to first determine even who-in-hell you're even responding to. Words just fail me.


East why waste your time? That is one FUKED up individual! He and trader should buddy bid together!
 
Should USAPA or Any Union Provide Clear and Concise Communications or Message Fragments That May Be Misleading?

For nearly the past 30 years of US Airways employment the challenge I have with our union representation, whether it’s ALPA or USAPA, is union leaders who make decisions based on emotion versus logic and union leaders who mislead the pilots, provide misinformation, twist an argument, not provide all of the facts, and use sentence or thought fragments. I believe the lack of transparency and misrepresentation by the Roll Call 4 (RC4), RC4/5, or Union Extremist Leaders (UEL) has been the single biggest reason we needlessly get hurt time-and-time again. Furthermore, in my opinion, USAPA’s July 7, 2013 Update is misleading because the union uses fragmented information and leaves out important points.

USAPA said on July 7, 2013: “In the Declaratory Judgment case, Judge Silver ruled last October that USAPA is not bound to follow the Nicolau Award and “is free to pursue any seniority position it wishes during the collective bargaining negotiations.”

USA320Pilot asks: Meanwhile, Judge Silver confirmed that LOA 96, the Transition Agreement, requires USAPA and US Airways to implement the Nicolau Award. Why has USAPA not informed us of Judge Silver’s comments?

Judge Silver said: "The primary focus of the parties’ summary judgment filings is whether the Transition Agreement is “binding” on USAPA. According to USAPA, it is “not ‘contractually’ bound by any of ALPA’s agreements,” including the Transition Agreement. (Doc. 160 at 10). But the West Pilots, as well as US Airways, cite a variety of authority supporting the position that the “decertification of ALPA and the certification of USAPA did not change the binding nature of the Transition Agreement.” (Doc. 164 at 7). The West Pilots and US Airways are correct."

Judge Silver said: “Regardless of the binding nature of the Transition Agreement, USAPA’s duty in negotiating a collective bargaining agreement remains the same: to act in conformity with it’s duty of fair representation.”

Judge Silver said: “If USAPA attempts to change the final and binding Nicolau Award) Of course, in negotiating for a particular seniority regime, USAPA must not breach its duty of fair representation. Accordingly, if USAPA wishes to abandon the Nicolau Award and accept the consequences of this course of action, it is free to do so. By discarding the result of a valid arbitration and negotiating for a different seniority regime, USAPA is running the risk that it will be sued by the disadvantaged pilots when the new collective bargaining agreement is finalized. An impartial arbitrator’s decision regarding an appropriate method of seniority integration is powerful evidence of a fair result. Discarding the Nicolau Award places USAPA on dangerous ground."

USA320Pilot asks: Should USAPA or any union that has a Legitimate Union Purpose or LUP provide all of the key points in their updates or make the pilots search for important information? Is it misleading for a union to use information fragments that paint the wrong picture or should a union be communicate accurately? Have misleading union communications harmed the pilots during USAPA’s 6 years of formulation and representation?

USA320Pilot


East pilots asks why USA 320 pilot collaborated with Steve Gay west pilot during injunction hearings to work against his fellow pilots and pay raises? USA320 pilot merely changed a few words from company collaborator SteveGay to make it appear he was there.
 
EastUS1, on 09 July 2013 - 04:55 PM, said: Anything ever coming from you ALWAYS is. Refresh our collective memory here: How'd that "done deal"/sure-thing/no-possible-doubt-about-it merger with UAL that you promised all actually work out? 🙂 No further comment required. 😉



No respect is due you here at all. You might at least, first develop a sufficiently discerning "intellect" to determine who-in-hell you're even responding to. Words just fail me.

Per: "I hope this clears up this discussion once and for all." It certainly should. Your ramblings bring even the concept of willfully oblivious up to new and uncharted levels. 🙂


He is intellect deficient; hair plugs - not so much.
 
East why waste your time? That is one FUKED up individual!

Clinical interest...coupled with a personal deficiency of universally-loving-and-all-encompassing-empathy, sadly, sufficiently cold-hearted so's not to be able to do other than properly mock and laugh at some particularly twisted "types"...self-styled (at above the age of at best 12-14) "spartans", "knights" and "dire wolves", for example. 🙂

"That is one deleted individual!" No possible argument there.
 
Clinical interest...coupled with a personal deficiency of universally-loving-and-all-encompassing-empathy, sadly, sufficiently cold-hearted so's not to be able to do other than properly mock and laugh at some particularly twisted "types"...self-styled (at above the age of at best 12-14) "spartans", "knights" and "dire wolves", for example. 🙂

"That is one deleted up individual!" No possible argument there.
Not so hard to figure him out. He spouts the party line. Probably a condition of his getting his job back. His near termination experience erased any objectivity from his thinking.
 
Not so hard to figure him out. He spouts the party line. Probably a condition of his getting his job back. His near termination experience erased any objectivity from his thinking.

Agreed, but such is no excuse for aimlessly wandering the wilderness, asking of all who pass just what shape/size/color and emblems his newest set of knee-pads should have. Perhaps he should seek "enlistment" into the "army" of "spartans" out west, who's self-styled "supreme commander" made incredibly narcicisstic, infantile and imbecilic reference to even the possibility of losing just his job (not his Life, not an arm/leg/not-so-much-as-even-a-drop-of-blood) to be making "the supreme sacrifice"...and ZERO westies/"spartans" even laughed his pathetic arse outta' "command"...GO "Spartans!" 🙂 Those cut from the same bolt of self-obsessed, hopelessly-childish/chicken-sh-t cloth should stick together. Heck! Maybe they could shop for matching knee-pads together! 🙂

Speaking of "self-obsessed, hopelessly-childish/chicken-sh-t cloth": How's the evening treating you cactus"boy"? 🙂
 
Speaking of "self-obsessed, hopelessly-childish/chicken-sh-t cloth": How's the evening treating you cactus"boy"? 🙂


cactus"boy" seen lurking. Just to make certain here, since typing time expired; NO contained inference/reference/association, nor intended slight whatsoever to you was intended with including that in the above post A320.
 
When you see cactusboy in the terminal thank him. Thank him for the next three years of stagnation at least. Thank him for your PHX to PHX trips, furloughed status on the AMR list. Do not ask about the damages you were promised, you will not have the time to listen. Very sound judgement to put your hands in the fate of those hired in 2003 and 2004. (sarcasm)
 

No need for repostings of those supposedly "ignored" Phoenix. It's a virtual certainty that any mighty "spartan" and "rep" of the AWA clan does indeed read all that's posted. Why else would he post denials of doing so with such hearty emphasis, especially, with amazing coincidence in play, just after some scathing posts were printed? Only the most devout village idiot (an admitted possibility there, so I could be wrong in offering up too much credit) wouldn't seek to gain any/all possible notions of his individual and collective foes thoughts. It's my "professional", or at least semi-educated estimation that he just lies about that, so as to further evidence his "spartan integrity". Note how "boy"s responses upped in ante, if you will, 'till a modification of forum boilerplate was "needed" = "just another psycho in the wilderness" isn't within the site's verbage: "This post is hidden because you have chosen to ignore posts by Claxon (just another psycho voice in the wilderness). View it anyway?

Did I ever mention how much I'd love to play at least semi-serious poker with such dimwits? 🙂

"La-la-la-fingers-in-ears-I-don't-hear-you!" comfortably resides within the psych profile of supposed "adults" that could imagine themselves "spartans"/"This is sparta!"/"knights"/'dire wolves"/etc.
 
Uhm, a grievance is a function of an divergence from a contract. LCC is a partner in the three way agreement on HOW to satisfy the seniority integration between America West (the acquiring party), US Air and LCC (the new corporate entity). In fact this will be SAME KIND of agreement between parties in this new merger (LCC, APA & the "New American Airlines").

Mr. Parker sent a letter to ALL pilots of the NEW US Airways indicating that the arbitration process and final product (the Nicolau Seniority List) met all of the conditions that the new company had placed on seniority integration. Thus, one of the involved parties stated its acceptance.

The problem that we have is that one party REFUSED to abide by that agreement, balked and ginned up a new bargaining agent for the purpose of evading that seniority list at any and all costs. The company took the "we're neutral" position because is placed them in the advantageous position of pocketing ALL the money that we could have had in 1 (if not 2) JCBA's (about 800 Million dollars, NEVER to see your pocket or mine).

Now really, thinking with your head (and not your heart).....which way do you think the courts will ultimately decide? If Parker is forced to decide (if the courts drag on and he needs us to move forward), which list keeps LCC & APA out of legal danger? How many arbitrations have been reversed, overturned, or evaded in court proceedings in recent past? If you are forced to accept the Nicolau list, how much money have you personally lost? How much time paid time off will you never recover? What a shame.

Even if ALPA were to be reinstated as the legal bargaining representative today, there would still be absolutely no means to require/allow the company to implement the Nic apart from the strict terms of the imminently obsolete TA---the membership expressly called to eclipsed all former agreements and any former status quo at the POR via the membership ratified MOU... Thus even ALPA would be in danger of a lawsuit if they failed to pursue the expected intent and process called for in the MOU.

Carryon within the "wide range of reasonableness"...
 
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"La-la-la-fingers-in-ears-I-don't-hear-you!" comfortably resides within the psych profile of supposed "adults" that could imagine themselves "spartans"/"This is sparta!"/"knights"/'dire wolves"/etc.


This bares repeating too! :lol:

Judge Silver has published a remedy for the Spartans...

The following poster will be placed in all East Bases and USAPA World HQ, as a courtesy warning to the plaintiffs... to mitigate their perception of harm.

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