August 2013 Pilot Discussion

[Phoenix]

..... the general feeling is they want a way out with LOS. Even clear bailed on you guys. It is over.

No. Not true. They are quite happy with the status quo.... TraderJ wants to fly as their FO. That is enough for them.

 

[cactusboy53]

There are big problems out West. There is now a solid divide on sticking with NIC or nothing. Seems a lot of West Class folks are tired of "nothing." Being paid only slightly more than the East, trapped in PHX, no wide body upgrades, and a general sense that there simply will be no improvement on anything for years has the rank and file squirming. The Legal effort is in a shambles after the Section 22 fiasco. Fingers are pointing, loyalties are being questioned. All they have left is to somehow prove they were "tricked" into voting for the MOU. Late October is shaping up to be a train wreck for all of them. RR (cue a junior West Class member telling me how bad I have it out East.)

Want to bet? It seems your "sources" may have the numbers a bit wrong. SYIC.

 

[EastUS1]

Wow. I haven't been on this board for a long time but the first thing I see once I became curious is that you are still the biggest asshat on the internet. Will you ever get over your mental illness? Absolutely astonishing that you actually fly for a living. If the public only knew.....

Give my best to Oprah and Dr. Phil, and don't take it so hard ames/monkee/"spartans"/"knights"/etc. You obviously love lawyers. I can't share your enthusiasm for such, and very much prefer airplanes. Wager's always open. 🙂 PM if interested.

"If the public only knew....."...? Far too late for any "lords and ladies of westeross"/"knights"/"spartans"/"dire wolves" and even "Larry Potta" sorts to fret over that notion:

 

[EastUS1]

SYIC.

Yawn.

 

[Portly Dorman]

The East is not unanimous about what they want. Just look at the CLT election results.... Yeah, the CLT rep elections tell you all you need to know.

Now, about those elections for the folks that are spending the West donations (and now demanding monthly deposits)....

Do those folks let you vote on who represents your interests?
Do they tell you exactly who is on the take?
Do they admit any personal conflicts of interest?
Do they let you see the Sec 22 grievance results?

At this point the $$ are going to the fishing expedition that Pat created. I think they requested to depose every west pilot. Much like the dear leader asking west representatives if they were 'AGENTS OF LEONIDAS' and calling the police to eject them from the meeting of the CBA that is supposed to represent them.

I've seen the filling, why is Slamdanceski so worried about where the $$ comes from and who is in the organization?? Paranoia will destroy ya. Maybe that's why the dear leader is 'seeking solice' on the lake in New Hampshire.

Since you know so much about the grievance that may or may not have been filed (the committee chair is an east pilot) we on the west have little or no knowledge of it, maybe you can explain it to us. It's been a month or so and it's completely done? No appeal? Tracy back? Maybe it's in limbo like the Kasher decision, right?

AOL has $$ problems, I signed up to donate. I'm happy to, I'm still out a whole lot less that the typical east pilot, something like $25k for the average C/O (a little east lingo there). Please explain in detail the $$ problems and who is on the take with AOL. You seem to have the inside scoop, do tell.

You guys brag about you pay checks out over the Atlantic in you WB seat? (insert claxypad's chart here)

 

[Reed Richards]

At this point the $$ are going to the fishing expedition that Pat created. I think they requested to depose every west pilot. Much like the dear leader asking west representatives if they were 'AGENTS OF LEONIDAS' and calling the police to eject them from the meeting of the CBA that is supposed to represent them.

I've seen the filling, why is Slamdanceski so worried about where the $$ comes from and who is in the organization?? Paranoia will destroy ya. Maybe that's why the dear leader is 'seeking solice' on the lake in New Hampshire.

Since you know so much about the grievance that may or may not have been filed (the committee chair is an east pilot) we on the west have little or no knowledge of it, maybe you can explain it to us. It's been a month or so and it's completely done? No appeal? Tracy back? Maybe it's in limbo like the Kasher decision, right?

AOL has $$ problems, I signed up to donate. I'm happy to, I'm still out a whole lot less that the typical east pilot, something like $25k for the average C/O (a little east lingo there). Please explain in detail the $$ problems and who is on the take with AOL. You seem to have the inside scoop, do tell.

You guys brag about you pay checks out over the Atlantic in you WB seat? (insert claxypad's chart here)

Our first peek at what is going on in the depositions? Guess there is some concern as to the money trail? And you have to love the description of the USAPA lawyer as being on a fishing expedition! USAPA is NOT the plaintiff here! And yet another "don't know nuthin’ about no grievance." Yet another denying knowledge of the biggest gaff in LEO history. LEO is in such disarray that they have their supposedly smartest guys off the reservation and stepping in it big time! So bad Cactus Boy says he does not even care. He is too busy laying out his outfit for the trial, wants to look his best in front of the Company! RR

 

[Pi brat]

I'm still out a whole lot less that the typical east pilot, something like $25k for the average C/O (a little east lingo there). Please explain in detail the $$ problems and who is on the take with AOL. You seem to have the inside scoop, do tell.

You guys brag about you pay checks out over the Atlantic in you WB seat? (insert claxypad's chart here)

Your bottom 10 year guy is a reserve A320 F/O making about $90 an hour. Try comparing that to a guy that got hired at SW 10 years ago instead of the east. You don't win by not losing as much as the other guy. Telling the mortgage company "Well, I make more than and eastie!" won't really get you more of a loan.

This kind of logic astounds me.

 

[Portly Dorman]

Our first peek at what is going on in the depositions? Guess there is some concern as to the money trail? And you have to love the description of the USAPA lawyer as being on a fishing expedition! USAPA is NOT the plaintiff here! And yet another "don't know nuthin’ about no grievance." Yet another denying knowledge of the biggest gaff in LEO history. LEO is in such disarray that they have their supposedly smartest guys off the reservation and stepping in it big time! So bad Cactus Boy says he does not even care. He is too busy laying out his outfit for the trial, wants to look his best in front of the Company! RR

They have had some trouble covering up the ALPA supplied money. When they meet at the ALPA condo in Prescott over ALPA supplied food and drink with ALPA cuban cigars they do discuss the laundering the ALPA money, all cash of course. The ALPA money, distributed by the ALPA carrier FEDEX is sent out to the furloughees and then sent to AOL via ALPA supplied limos but using AGENTS of LEONIDAS as curriers.

On the grievance please tell what you know. The info flow from CLT is ZERO. It seems the officers are to busy on Airline Forums. B) 🙄 😀 😛 😱

 

[Portly Dorman]

Your bottom 10 year guy is a reserve A320 F/O making about $90 an hour. Try comparing that to a guy that got hired at SW 10 years ago instead of the east. You don't win by not losing as much as the other guy. Telling the mortgage company "Well, I make more than and eastie!" won't really get you more of a loan.

This kind of logic astounds me.

Never said it would. Your logic astounds me, 'we made uber $$ in the 90's' yet you have consistently lost ever since. You've set the bar for low pay for the last 10 years and if you're not 59+ the pbgc isn't paying you. I've had an east captain try to justify all the to me. My FO was was withing 10K of him working a lot less and he was spending his pbgc $$ to live on.

Bully for the guy at SWA, you're not making SWA $$ either.

I know, you'll live on LOA93 until you retire, carry on. You must be in the trust fund club like Tracy and Mikey.

 

[Phoenix]

Want to bet? It seems your "sources" may have the numbers a bit wrong. SYIC.

Soooooo, about Cleardirect..... Where is the Chief Cheerleader of the mighty Spartans? Is he out and about doing exploits with Harry Potter or is he vacationing in Valhalla?

And who the hell is Scotty? Shows what you know... "your sources"..

 

[Reed Richards]

They have had some trouble covering up the ALPA supplied money. When they meet at the ALPA condo in Prescott over ALPA supplied food and drink with ALPA cuban cigars they do discuss the laundering the ALPA money, all cash of course. The ALPA money, distributed by the ALPA carrier FEDEX is sent out to the furloughees and then sent to AOL via ALPA supplied limos but using AGENTS of LEONIDAS as curriers.

On the grievance please tell what you know. The info flow from CLT is ZERO. It seems the officers are to busy on Airline Forums. B) 🙄 😀 😛 😱

[font="Arial""]The more you talk, the more telling your concerns. I just made up the story about the grievance to get you riled up. RR[/font]

 

[Pi brat]

Never said it would. Your logic astounds me, 'we made uber $$ in the 90's' yet you have consistently lost ever since. You've set the bar for low pay for the last 10 years and if you're not 59+ the pbgc isn't paying you. I've had an east captain try to justify all the to me. My FO was was withing 10K of him working a lot less and he was spending his pbgc $$ to live on.

Bully for the guy at SWA, you're not making SWA $$ either.

I know, you'll live on LOA93 until you retire, carry on. You must be in the trust fund club like Tracy and Mikey.

The whole group is nuts for letting this go on. One saying the other is crazier is, well, crazy.

As far as setting the bar, AWA did that for the entire industry. We came down to you, and only through politics did we end up with worse. Your contract and jetBlue's was the target for LOA 93. Thanks!

 

[Reed Richards]

Soooooo, about Cleardirect..... Where is the Chief Cheerleader of the mighty Spartans? Is he out and about doing exploits with Harry Potter or is he vacationing in Valhalla?

[font="Arial""]He took a powder about the same time the West contingent on the merger committee shot a hole in the boat. RR[/font]

 

[Hate2fly]

Doc 188 what a joke! The company wants back in for the depositions of the east guys. Talk about sleazy!

It's time for a road trip to the Bay Area. ASAP!

Hate

 

[Phoenix]

.....Since you know so much about the grievance that may or may not have been filed (the committee chair is an east pilot) we on the west have little or no knowledge of it, maybe you can explain it to us. It's been a month or so and it's completely done? No appeal? Tracy back? Maybe it's in limbo like the Kasher decision, right?

AOL has $$ problems, I signed up to donate. I'm happy to,...

So, it's been a month or so... I see.

Why are you trying to obfuscate a grievance that may or may not have been filed?

How can you have "little knowledge" of something that doesn't exist?

Why do you guys always coyly ask the East to fill you in on the details?

I see, you aren't sure if it is being appealed and you think it might be in limbo...

And now you are happy to be sending more money via monthly mortgage payments... Seems to me you shouldn't be asking East pilots for the details on your mystery grievance.. Ask the people who are spending your donations!

Or have you asked them.. And now you are just repeating the coy questions they are hiding behind?