August 2013 Pilot Discussion

[luvthe9]

[background=rgb(250, 250, 250)]There are reports that Bill McKee, Steve Crimi, DeWitt Ingram, Paul DiOrio, and Paul Music are preparing multiple resolutions to recall Gary Hummel and remove James Ray from the Communications Committee, Dave Caibattoni from the Grievance Committee, and all four NAC members. In addition, the CLT and two PHL Reps want to fire USAPA's current attorneys, hire new attorneys, and only permit the new lawyers to speak to the BPR and not the President.[/background]

[background=rgb(250, 250, 250)]The plan that I heard is to return people to power such as Bill McKee as President, Paul DiOrio to NAC Chairman, and Tracy Parella as Grievance Committee Chairman; along with adding other like minded people to committee positions.[/background]

[background=rgb(250, 250, 250)]The view of these hardliners is that they believe they can get more for the pilot group with an amended MOU.[/background]

[background=rgb(250, 250, 250)]The fallacy in this argument is that the MOU is part of AMRs confirmed Plan of Reorganization and was voted on by AMR's creditors when they approved the Disclosure Statement. Any change to the MOU would need approval from APA, AMR, US Airways, AMR's UCC, the Bankruptcy Court, and AMR's creditors. At this state of AMR's formal reorganization what are the odds of US Airways' pilots obtaining additional contract improvements if the proposed corporate transaction proceeds when the revenue described in the Disclosure Statement is at risk if the DOJ demands an unrealistic antitrust lawsuit settlement? [/background]

[background=rgb(250, 250, 250)]Considering the current state of the proposed merger, when Structural and Behavioral Remedies may be required that lower projected revenues to prevent the antitrust lawsuit from proceeding, what are the odds all of the parties in the previous paragraph would undo the MOU and provide US Airways' pilots with a more lucrative MOU? Let me answer that question. Zero. Nada. Nothing.[/background]

[background=rgb(250, 250, 250)]Furthermore, even though the MOU is ratified it has not been executed and can be withdrawn by the company in retaliation to any adverse USAPA action or the union reneging on an agreement. How ironic it would be for the merger to proceed without a MOU for US Airways' pilots (No Retrospective Pay, No Bonus, and No other contract improvements) with the new DOJ carve outs funded by US Airways' pilots because of the actions of the hardliners. Think this is not possible or the Company would not pull the MOU? Have we seen this before? [/background]

[background=rgb(250, 250, 250)]If this issue concerns you I encourage you to contact your Reps at [/background]bpr@usairlinepilots.org[background=rgb(250, 250, 250)] and attend next week's BPR meeting scheduled for Thursday and Friday, September 26th & 27th at USAPA's WWHQ's in CLT. Remember...it's not what the hardliners say...it's what they do. [/background]

Massive pants wetter
Tell us if you think the merger happens.

 

[luvthe9]

Do you think I really give a damn after the crap U-saps have done to the West? Not only are you going to get the Nic, there will be damages sought for your evasion. You'll find out there is no prize for cheating, only scorn.

Sure son. It is so easy to drag the Arizona judges in for their spankings.

 

[luvthe9]

Do you think I really give a damn after the crap U-saps have done to the West? Not only are you going to get the Nic, there will be damages sought for your evasion. You'll find out there is no prize for cheating, only scorn.

And only Bojangles for you Move.

 

[snapthis]

Sure son. It is so easy to drag the Arizona judges in for their spankings.

You sure don't have much to say when I saw your side get spanked from Addington until recently in Silver's court. All I see is someone like Courtney sitting there with a dumb look on his face thinking about what's on the menu downstairs.

Out to lunch as usual.

 

[Res Judicata]

[background=rgb(250, 250, 250)]There are reports that Bill McKee, Steve Crimi, DeWitt Ingram, Paul DiOrio, and Paul Music are preparing multiple resolutions to recall Gary Hummel and remove James Ray from the Communications Committee, Dave Caibattoni from the Grievance Committee, and all four NAC members. In addition, the CLT and two PHL Reps want to fire USAPA's current attorneys, hire new attorneys, and only permit the new lawyers to speak to the BPR and not the President.[/background]

[background=rgb(250, 250, 250)]The plan that I heard is to return people to power such as Bill McKee as President, Paul DiOrio to NAC Chairman, and Tracy Parella as Grievance Committee Chairman; along with adding other like minded people to committee positions.[/background]

[background=rgb(250, 250, 250)]The view of these hardliners is that they believe they can get more for the pilot group with an amended MOU.[/background]

[background=rgb(250, 250, 250)]The fallacy in this argument is that the MOU is part of AMRs confirmed Plan of Reorganization and was voted on by AMR's creditors when they approved the Disclosure Statement. Any change to the MOU would need approval from APA, AMR, US Airways, AMR's UCC, the Bankruptcy Court, and AMR's creditors. At this state of AMR's formal reorganization what are the odds of US Airways' pilots obtaining additional contract improvements if the proposed corporate transaction proceeds when the revenue described in the Disclosure Statement is at risk if the DOJ demands an unrealistic antitrust lawsuit settlement? [/background]

[background=rgb(250, 250, 250)]Considering the current state of the proposed merger, when Structural and Behavioral Remedies may be required that lower projected revenues to prevent the antitrust lawsuit from proceeding, what are the odds all of the parties in the previous paragraph would undo the MOU and provide US Airways' pilots with a more lucrative MOU? Let me answer that question. Zero. Nada. Nothing.[/background]

[background=rgb(250, 250, 250)]Furthermore, even though the MOU is ratified it has not been executed and can be withdrawn by the company in retaliation to any adverse USAPA action or the union reneging on an agreement. How ironic it would be for the merger to proceed without a MOU for US Airways' pilots (No Retrospective Pay, No Bonus, and No other contract improvements) with the new DOJ carve outs funded by US Airways' pilots because of the actions of the hardliners. Think this is not possible or the Company would not pull the MOU? Have we seen this before? [/background]

[background=rgb(250, 250, 250)]If this issue concerns you I encourage you to contact your Reps at [/background]bpr@usairlinepilots.org[background=rgb(250, 250, 250)] and attend next week's BPR meeting scheduled for Thursday and Friday, September 26th & 27th at USAPA's WWHQ's in CLT. Remember...it's not what the hardliners say...it's what they do. [/background]

I LOVE IT!!!!! Do it!!! Do it!!!!

 

[snapthis]

I LOVE IT!!!!! Do it!!! Do it!!!!

Beautiful.

Run with it.

 

[traderjake]

And only Bojangles for you Move.

There's never any left after you get there RR.

 

[Claxon]

You sure don't have much to say when I saw your side get spanked from Addington until recently in Silver's court. All I see is someone like Courtney sitting there with a dumb look on his face thinking about what's on the menu downstairs.

Out to lunch as usual.

Snap2

Do you claim the MOU is indeed a JCBA?

 

[Claxon]

I LOVE IT!!!!! Do it!!! Do it!!!!

I will believe you on one condition. You submit to a polygraph.

 

[Pi brat]

Well I see all the roaches crawled out of the woodwork with the big "win." All over now, so when do I get paid and when does pre get to bid the 330?

 

[Pi brat]

He's making fun of F/Os that wear a Captain's jacket.

IMO it's disrespectful.

Here's my favorite, "My name is Captain Bill McKee".

I find the leather jacket disgusting, but it's allowed so I don't complain, just like former captains wearing 4 stripes. You really have to wonder about the mental state of someone that would complain about something like that.

 

[traderjake]

I find the leather jacket disgusting

I agree, it looks silly.

 

[cltrat]

Well I see all the roaches crawled out of the woodwork with the big "win." All over now, so when do I get paid and when does pre get to bid the 330?

maybe she can check it out in November when it comes to PHX

 

[Phoenix]

Indeed! Nice to see the gloves come off. This affair is a farce. My favorite line:

a colossal waste of time

RR

I like "any other result [i.e. 9th not granting the stay] would elevate futility over substance."

Baaaazing.... I think Silver might be smart enough to understand what Pat inferred. 😀

 

[Phoenix]

Oh yes. Yet ANOTHER Federal Judge that "just doesn't get it". Perhaps it's USAPA and its cheerleaders like yourself whose heads are so far up your own ass your perception of reality and moral compass is entirely flawed?

It's a fair question, but it isn't ripe yet.