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Send more $$$(conveniently left out!) You did not vote for DOH. You did not vote for NIC. You voted for the MOU and what it says. Nothing more, nothing less. Read it!

You are more than welcome to go to cactuspilot.com and donate if you like. Leonidas asked for donations since there has been a USAPA. We'll be here until the problem is eliminated.

You're also weclome to read more of the update which includes the fake union's response which is a total waste of bandwith.
 
Read it and cry me a Wye river. Keep blaming others for your stupid, ignorant and misguided information you gave to your fellow west pilots. You are not a victim, you are the perpetuator. You are living in your own feces, do not blame anyone else.

http://www.nmb.gov/representation/deter2008/35n020.pdf

Click on the link. america west was acquired by the east. Page 68. Read and understand why DOH is a great deal in light of AA TWA SWA AirTran and others. Your PHX operation was bought lock stock and rusty barrel by the east.
Read why the NMB will not grant you separate status.
 
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You are more than welcome to go to cactuspilot.com and donate if you like. Leonidas asked for donations since there has been a USAPA. We'll be here until the problem is eliminated.

You're also weclome to read more of the update which includes the fake union's response which is a total waste of bandwith.

"It’s the right thing to do. If we don’t contribute with our voluntary efforts, then there is nothing to stop USAPA from stealing our seniority, and severely damaging Fair Representation for all US Airways pilots."


My how things have changed since 2005.


"But I doubt the furloughees with 15 years of longevity will go to the bottom. My guess on the ultimate integration will be to integrate using a weighted longevity formula. Somebody with fifteen years at U that's now on the street is likely to integrate somewhere around senior AWA f/o or perhaps very junior captain. But that's just a guess.

Given my place, it won't make much of a difference whether there is a dovetail or longevity based integration. I suspect I'd end up right around the 90-91 hires. I'm a somewhat senior f/o by the way.

I'd like to say one more thing about the integration: the focus needs to be on results, not applications. Just because a method is applied uniformly does not make it fair. Lots of ideas seem fair, but all ideas should be put to the test and judged according to the result. It's not fairness in the application we should seek but fairness in the result because it's the result we all have to live with."
 
Just to tee up this evening's discussion, today the 9th Circuit denied USAPA's Writ of Mandamus.

And USAPA sent an email out about before anybody on here could break the news. What's up with that? They are supposed to hide that kind of stuff. ;-)
 
FAIL

Just as I predicted.

Then you were right, here's your prize....................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................
 
The 9th cited Bauman vs U.S. District Court (1977) in their 1 page decision. Unable to download that case, but the intro refers to irreparable harm. I'm guessing the 9th feels that USAPA cannot claim irreparable harm if they can obtain relief by utilizing the regular appeal process.

IOW, USAPA's claim is not ripe -🙂

'84
 
And USAPA sent an email out about before anybody on here could break the news. What's up with that? They are supposed to hide that kind of stuff. ;-)

Guess what else they did, they sent this out as well regarding the writ:

"In fact, if USAPA prevails, which we fully expect,..."

Maybe they should go back to hiding this sort of stuff.
 
Here is my humble and uncomplicated view. The trial will go forward in less than a month. USAPA will lose. They will then appeal to the 9th. By the time the circuit court renders a decision, the merger will either be history or history, depending on your definition. If the merger fails, we are back to where we were, arguing ripeness but with a watchful eye on the company's DJ appeal. If they win the appeal, things get complicated. If they lose, we are still parked, under injunction and things get complicated. If the merger goes forward and USAPA submits one list using DOH with C/Rs, the west pilots are forever locked in their position on the LCC list and I believe this triggers harm/ripeness and things get complicated. If USAPA submits two lists and the west represents it's own class, there is certainly risk but less complicated.

Hope that helps the discussion.

'84
 
Check out the backgrounds for judges M. Smith and Ikuta from the 9th. Ikuta is listed as a partner in Siegles firm. Nice! No surprise here M. Smith appointed by Bush Sr. And Ikuta appointed by W.

Hate
 
Here is my humble and uncomplicated view. The trial will go forward in less than a month. USAPA will lose. They will then appeal to the 9th. By the time the circuit court renders a decision, the merger will either be history or history, depending on your definition. If the merger fails, we are back to where we were, arguing ripeness but with a watchful eye on the company's DJ appeal. If they win the appeal, things get complicated. If they lose, we are still parked, under injunction and things get complicated. If the merger goes forward and USAPA submits one list using DOH with C/Rs, the west pilots are forever locked in their position on the LCC list and I believe this triggers harm/ripeness and things get complicated. If USAPA submits two lists and the west represents it's own class, there is certainly risk but less complicated.

Hope that helps the discussion.

'84

Then there is the thing that you never saw coming........
 
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