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Agree wholeheartedly with you on all those points. If company policy was violated then that's between Management and the individuals involved.

Now I would have to go back and watch the Nazis video to see if that's what was said or implied. My admittedly distant recollection is that there was a parody of radical fanaticism and intolerance for viewpoints that differ from the rabid leadership of USAPA. If that's where it stopped then I think you may be overstating that anyone was "comparing" USAPA or east to the despicable and murderous acts committed by Hitler, the SS, the SS, the Nazis or whatever. As I mentioned to PI, I am never offended by anything a person does or says because I have to choose to be offended and that is something I refuse to do or be. So a lot of things other people choose to be offended by don't affect me in the least. Actions, not words, are what do harm to people. Being offended is a personal choice.

I AM offended. I am angry that my daughters might see such a disgusting representation of something I have invested a lot of my time and effort in over the last 6 years, to their personal loss. RR
 
Just tell Cleary to bugger off. Make him work for it if he wants his money. The cash flow spigot is still on, what's the fiscal worry?
 
No drama at the meeting today.

NAC presentation with focus on delayed effective date, likely mid January.

Merger Committee presentation with focus on UAL/CAL award and potential Protocal Agreement with APA.

Departing CLT reps received plaques in appreciation of service.

No word from court on company's DJ appeal.

Tomorrow may be much more lively.

'84
 
No drama at the meeting today.

NAC presentation with focus on delayed effective date, likely mid January.

Merger Committee presentation with focus on UAL/CAL award and potential Protocal Agreement with APA.

Departing CLT reps received plaques in appreciation of service.

No word from court on company's DJ appeal.

Tomorrow may be much more lively.

'84
thx
 
I see dca319 lurking around.......what? no bi-polar personal attacks tonight? Your West brothers will be disappointed. You half way accused me of some breach on Ops in using the cockpit door a couple of weeks ago.......total BS. Not my style, not to mention that I was in A330 training for 6-8 weeks, riding positive space to training. What is your explanation of the West Captain that misplaced her id on a DEN trip. Instead of talking to dispatch or any other support that could have helped her continue her flight, legally, she called in sick.......canceling a full flight. Integrity, my butt. Just like you.....an adolescent MOVE. I have asked you and snap about this incident......no response. You guys are so full of crap! Oh, I see that you signed off, just like snapthis has each time I have asked this question. You wimps! breeze
 
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I see dca319 lurking around.......what? no bi-polar personal attacks tonight? Your West brothers will be disappointed. You half way accused me of some breach on Ops in using the cockpit door a couple of weeks ago.......total BS. Not my style, not to mention that I was in A330 training for 6-8 weeks, riding positive space to training. What is your explanation of the West Captain that misplaced her id on a DEN trip. Instead of talking to dispatch or any other support that could have helped her continue her flight, legally, she called in sick.......canceling a full flight. Integrity, my butt. Just like you.....an adolescent MOVE. I have asked you and snap about this incident......no response. You guys are so full of crap! breeze
Dear Mr. Breeze: Perhaps you might consider the remote possibility that said... "Female", "West", "Captain" might, when faced with the issue of a lost ID, have panicked, (or perhaps, not gave a sh*t), and accomplished the paperwork equivalent of forgetting that the thrust levers should be placed in the TOGA position for maximum thrust, as opposed to realizing that there is a procedure in place to deal with the issue at hand. Are you actually asserting that she somehow knew that you were on the flight, cared, and as opposed to dealing with her problem in accordance with all available SOP's and FOM guidance, somehow chose to "burn" you, by utilizing her prerogative to call in "sick"? She choked... and you are morally equivocating. My son says "Grow up!"
 
You wimps! breeze
Out of respect for your bi-polar problem, I use wimps as a plural so that maybe you will understand. However, if you really are bi-polar, you will never understand, just like my ex. You have no idea unless you have lived there. breeze
 
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Dear Mr. Breeze: Perhaps you might consider the remote possibility that said... "Female", "West", "Captain" might, when faced with the issue of a lost ID, have panicked, (or perhaps, not gave a sh*t), and accomplished the paperwork equivalent of forgetting that the thrust levers should be placed in the TOGA position for maximum thrust, as opposed to realizing that there is a procedure in place to deal with the issue at hand. Are you actually asserting that she somehow knew that you were on the flight, cared, and as opposed to dealing with her problem in accordance with all available SOP's and FOM guidance, somehow chose to "burn" you, by utilizing her prerogative to call in "sick"? She choked... and you are morally equivocating. My son says "Grow up!"
Thanks for your edit......Sure, she may have choked....something that we all have to try and avoid. I was not on her flight, so my point was that the West pilots (snapthis and dca319) were giving us some crap about integrity, when in fact, they are not above choking. DCA319 halfway accused me of breaching OPS specs while riding the JS a few weeks ago. Again, I haven't ridden on the JS in months due to training. That is where all of this is coming from. We are all professional pilots out here......no need to start pointing fingers, such as they did.....breeze
 
I AM offended. I am angry that my daughters might see such a disgusting representation of something I have invested a lot of my time and effort in over the last 6 years, to their personal loss. RR
What you've spent so much time and effort on in the last 6 years IS DIGUSTING!!!!

 
Thanks for your edit......Sure, she may have choked....something that we all have to try and avoid. I was not on her flight, so my point was that the West pilots (snapthis and dca319) were giving us some crap about integrity, when in fact, they are not above choking. DCA319 halfway accused me of breaching OPS specs while riding the JS a few weeks ago. Again, I haven't ridden on the JS in months due to training. That is where all of this is coming from. We are all professional pilots out here......no need to start pointing fingers, such as they did.....breeze
Even the most obtuse among us are cognizant of the fact that there is a distinct difference between reneging on "final and binding arbitration" and not realizing that you are not the first person to ever lose your ID, and that there are procedures in place to deal with that eventuality. Cheers!
 
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Perhaps you might consider the remote possibility that said... "Female", "West", "Captain" might, when faced with the issue of a lost ID, have panicked, (or perhaps, not gave a sh*t), and accomplished the paperwork equivalent of forgetting that the thrust levers should be placed in the TOGA position for maximum thrust, as opposed to realizing that there is a procedure in place to deal with the issue at hand. Are you actually asserting that she somehow knew that you were on the flight, cared, and as opposed to dealing with her problem in accordance with all available SOP's and FOM guidance, somehow chose to "burn" you, by utilizing her prerogative to call in "sick"? She choked... and you are morally equivocating. My son says "Grow up!"

Let me get this straight here: "Female", "West", "Captain" might, when faced with the issue of a lost ID, have panicked,.."? Seriously? Even I don't have THAT degree of contempt for "you'se"..umm..."spartans". "Westie" or not; we're talking about a coworker in the company here on a board seen by management trolls. I don't know the person nor the circumstances, so I must go with the notion of her becoming ill on the road and properly calling in sick.

As for "TOGA position for maximum thrust"? Sigh! That's been often advanced in the past when referencing how "you'se"..."spartans" could've heroically flown FLT 1549 (a fantasy directly opposed by NTSB findings) to something other than the most successful ditching in all of history...So...Well: Which is it?: "You'se" could actually imagine some or even ANY "panic" over lost ID's, but would prove the world's finest Uber-Aviators if faced with dual-engine destruction at low altitude? 😉

"My son says "Grow up!" Perhaps you should listen to him.
 
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