August 2013 Pilot Discussion

[mrbreeze]

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[mrbreeze]

Time's up! Again, keep the name calling to yourself!

 

[fifidriver]

IMO, this is where the train left the tracks. During the USAir/Piedmont merger, the first thing the CEO did was to pay all pilots the same wage......sure, there were differences in opinion about SLI, but we were all treated respectfully and put on a level playing field. I think that being the regional airline that AWA was, not only did the CEO see a chance to screw us all, but the pilots had no clue as to what the word unity meant. SLI could have been worked out over time, but the NIC came out and the hungry greed of the West pilots blinded them since they had never had such an opportunity to leap frog into a "real" airline career, having been the lowest paid pilots in the industry since 1983. breeze

Dude! You must have had a great night... or something!!! However, in the immortal words of Dan Aykroyd: "Breeze, you ignorant sl*t!"
The pay differential between an East pilot and a West pilot is strictly a function of the career trajectory of each pilot group at the time of the merger. Nothing more, nothing less. When you parrot claxon's crow; with respect to the "lowest paid pilots in the industry since 1983", "and the opportunity to leap frog into a 'real' airline career"; your ignorance is showcased. In any reader's mind, you are immediately relegated to the same level of respect that he commands.
Graph my pay over time, vs. yours and extrapolate out any number of years. In 1983 AWE was a fledgling startup and AAA was a "legacy" carrier. Of course AWA did not pay a commensurate salary. Don't things change over time though? This is somewhat akin to me being stronger than my kid when he was born... Duh???!!! However, with AAA chapter 7 on the event horizon, (Check the "move-up" date to make payroll), and my son who now outweighs me by 30 lbs and is in MUCH better shape than I... (Draw your own conclusions here...) It is no wonder that a "West" pilot is paid much more that his "East" compatriot.
The only thing that you have correct is that an unscrupulous CEO chose to take advantage of an embittered, battered "legacy" pilot group that outnumbered it's "brothers", and was able, by wage and benefit undercutting, to seize the growth of their "brothers", at the cost of their own compensation stagnation.
You think that the train left the tracks when Dougie refused to pay you what I make??? You could not be further from the truth. The train left the tracks when a mal-content group of pilots that could not accurately assess their position in the aviation community, deliberately chose this course, as opposed to accepting the unbiased, third party assessment of appropriate placement on a combined SLI.
Your premise is flawed from the outset. Equal pay does not even remotely factor into a decision to accept a neutral, fair seniority arbitration. Even with the pressure of inadequate compensation until acceptance, your group has chosen this path. If your position is justified, just bring us a contract with a pay raise. Otherwise, my assessment of you and your group is entirely correct. KTGSD!

 

[end_of_alpa]

Yes , only a jerk would claim the West were trying to leap frog the "real airline careers" of lower paid pilots of a bankrupt airline.

Pilots with "real airline careers" don't make LOA 93 wages.

You have a third grade education. There's a fundamental law called "supply and demand". Deal with it.

 

[Piedmont1984]

Was anyone able to attend the day 2 session of the the BPR yesterday? Can you post a brief update? Actually, post a long update.

 

[end_of_alpa]

Was anyone able to attend the day 2 session of the the BPR yesterday? Can you post a brief update? Actually, post a long update.

I thought about it.....NOT! Summation: WASTE OF TIME AND MONEY.

 

[Freighterguynow]

What a jerk.

"Real" airline pilots aren't paid LOA 93 wages.

You do realize you've just included yourself in your own insult ?

 

[Piedmont1984]

I thought about it.....NOT! Summation: WASTE OF TIME AND MONEY.

What's the alternative?

 

[Piedmont1984]

Here's a crazy thought. Label this one 'prodigal son returns'. Many have excoriated Parker for running his mouth via emails and thus jeopardizing the merger. That he is stupid for moving2DFW before the merger is approved. What if he is in fact dumb as a fox. They like him over at AA. That is where he began his airline career. I've often heard he always wanted to return, run a big show, have his own racing yacht. Merger or not, he may stay in his new digs, never to return to Tempe. Maybe he meant to have some of those emails exposed.

Nah - couldn't be.

 

[luvthe9]

Yes , only a jerk would claim the West were trying to leap frog the "real airline careers" of lower paid pilots of a bankrupt airline.

Pilots with "real airline careers" don't make LOA 93 wages.

I guess your daddy should have got you hired somewhere else, hey at least you did not have to work at trying to get a job.

 

[luvthe9]

Clax, on a roll putting it to the westies, you have to luv it. We do miss Clear, Fodase (aka goat man) and our favorite Move2.

 

[snapthis]

Was anyone able to attend the day 2 session of the the BPR yesterday? Can you post a brief update? Actually, post a long update.

USAPA has to launder an update. It probably is in the spin cycle.

 

[Piedmont1984]

You guys are no fun today.

Crazy thought #2.

The real target of DOJ's complaint is Parker himself, not specific routes or slots. They don't want to see him running a global airline given his anti competitive pre-disposition. His emails being exhibit 1.

Claxon, stick to posting links. They are informative. Atlanta? ALPA shill?? And just a couple nights ago you did me a favor. I thought we were buds.

'84