August 2013 Pilot Discussion

[Phoenix]

IMO, this is where the train left the tracks. During the USAir/Piedmont merger, the first thing the CEO did was to pay all pilots the same wage......sure, there were differences in opinion about SLI, but we were all treated respectfully and put on a level playing field. I think that being the regional airline that AWA was, not only did the CEO see a chance to screw us all, but the pilots had no clue as to what the word unity meant. SLI could have been worked out over time, but the NIC came out and the hungry greed of the West pilots blinded them since they had never had such an opportunity to leap frog into a "real" airline career, having been the lowest paid pilots in the industry since 1983. breeze

I think you struck a chord.. And apparently it rings true!

 

[electricjet98]

USAPA has to launder an update. It probably is in the spin cycle.

Machine broke when they threw in Judge Silver's Order. USAPA is still showing their skid marks and no amount of spin will change that!

 

[traderjake]

I guess your daddy should have got you hired somewhere else, hey at least you did not have to work at trying to get a job.

Any luck getting Gary Recalled?

 

[Piedmont1984]

Crazy thought #3. Okay, how bout this. The DOJ is refusing to turn over documents regarding past decisions, or divulge what parties (other airlines) contacted them while they were researching/analyzing this merger.

Can the union request such documents under the FOIA?

 

[end_of_alpa]

What's the alternative?

Employment-at-will.

 

[electricjet98]

Employment-at-will.

That would be the fastest route to the top for anyone lacking any moral character...funny that YOU should mention it!

 

[lynyrdskynyrd]

Here's a crazy thought. Label this one 'prodigal son returns'. Many have excoriated Parker for running his mouth via emails and thus jeopardizing the merger. That he is stupid for moving2DFW before the merger is approved. What if he is in fact dumb as a fox. They like him over at AA. That is where he began his airline career. I've often heard he always wanted to return, run a big show, have his own racing yacht. Merger or not, he may stay in his new digs, never to return to Tempe. Maybe he meant to have some of those emails exposed.

Nah - couldn't be.

Plausible. I could see it backfiring though. Have we seen the last of Bethune?

 

[snapthis]

That would be the fastest route to the top for anyone lacking any moral character...funny that YOU should mention it!

That's is what to expect from these characters who lack morals.

 

[Piedmont1984]

Employment-at-will.

You once ran for union office. You used to attend meetings. Now you espouse trashing the very idea of having a union.

I won't speculate as to your motives, but I don't get it.

Did you really think USAPA would be a panacea, or that Mike was the second coming?

'84

 

[Piedmont1984]

That's is what to expect from these characters who lack morals.

Nobody here and neither side owns the trademark on morals.

 

[electricjet98]

Nobody here and neither side owns the trademark on morals.

Yeah...terribly unethical for the minority to fund & defend their legal rights!

 

[Piedmont1984]

Yeah...terribly unethical for the minority to fund & defend their legal rights!

Not the same thing. Both sides are defending their legal rights.

 

[snapthis]

Not the same thing. Both sides are defending their legal rights.

By trying to cheat a process. Do you teach your kids to cheat?

 

[Piedmont1984]

By trying to cheat a process. Do you teach your kids to cheat?

Sorry, have to throw the 'loaded question' flag on that one. Also known as logical fallacy. Are you going to ask if I still beat my wife next?

We're not trying to cheat a process. We're trying to dismantle and depose a flawed and unfair process which, in addition, no longer governs us.

 

[snapthis]

Who is Thomas Hitchcock? This mysterious Eastie who sent a letter to Judge Silver who can't be found on the Nicolau Seniority list.

Not a good idea to mislead the judge. Cactus pilots see right through the ploy. I'm sure Judge Silver sees through it by now with the "pilot" not being on our seniority list.

Some comments:

"His letter is a great example of how the east uses only the facts that support their BS. For example he uses the MOU paid as an example of top pay but than uses current LOA93 for bottom pay."

"Dear Judge Silver:
Many of our pilots out west have been out of work several years because of Duschbags like Capt Assole Hitchbitch. Due to his unwillingness to comply with prior agreements and one unethical CEO, I think you should use your power to STOP this abuse at once!"

"This chit-for-brains ASSHAT, has just summed up the core of the Eastholes mentality, and delivered it to a Federal Judge. Complete with the "woe-is-me" still at the bottom of a list, manufactured and executed but OTHER chit-for-brains ASSHATS, that create, promise, and ultimately GUARANTEE their anointed day will come. It will be complete with the shining bright light of Exhaulted elevation of a SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CAPTAIN. Where hotel rooms become suites overlooking the sea, crew meals are surf & turf, and every day has a six hour nap. Crew bunks are laden with satin sheets over a Tempu-pedic mattress, and young children stare in awe as they stride through the "pearly gates" of the International Terminal. Money for nothing and chicks for free. THAT....Dear Judge....is my destiny, and you need to know that I DESERVE IT....I have suffered many long years to "wait my turn"...."it's only fair that you give it to me".

Dear Judge....PLEASE PLEASE, don't let those pesky, dust covered, desert-dwelling ROOKIES STEAL WHAT IS RIGHTFULLY MINE.

I HAVE A DESTINY!!!! I BOUGHT A NEW HAT!!!! I PROMISED MY MOM!!!! YOU NEED TO LISTEN DAMNIT.....I can't take it anymore!!!! I'm broke, tired, work every Christmas, never get a nap, and stay at the friggin Ramada for Christ sake....

Waaaaaaaa....I have a destiny....Waaaaaa, Waaaaaaa, gloom.....despair.....and agony on me. Deep dark depression, excessive misery....if it weren't for Westicles...I'd have no pain at all.....gloom despair and agony on meeeee....Waaaaaaaaaaaa."