Bad Seats

[nwa1970]

By now, you have discovered the tenacity and discord you have unleashed among NWA employees toward the ignorance of the public attempting to relieve their frustrations with the entire industry on OUR company.
NWA employees do not ask the Company to shrink or reduce accomodations to make you uncomfortable. It is a necessity of the industry to create more seats (smaller) while reducing the number of fuel guzzling aircraft in order to provide proud NWA employees a more secure environment in this dog-eat-dog industry.
NWA is no different than any other carrier. If you believe that it is, then you are not the experienced flyer you claim to be.
The travelling public's ignorance, demand for more amenities, lower fares, newer equipment and "It's all about me!" attitude are exactly what has put this industry in the quandry it faces today and in the future.
We wish no ill toward any of the brothers and sisters in avaition. But, the truth of the matter is, in this business as any other, it is SURVIVAL we are concerned with.
Regardless of what we say in anger in defending OUR company, we appreciate your business. We depend on your loyalty for SURVIVAL.
Happy Travels.

 

[kiowa]

All airlines are NOT the same. What a silly statement. The aircraft are different, seating config is different, routes are different, ect. If all airlines were the same, we would all fly the cheapest fare, instead we can choose based on whatever factors are important to us. I don't like bad seats or bad attitudes. I also like to watch movies on the way to Alaska or any long flight-something that NWA dosen't offer on their 757s but several other airlines do. Airlines are not all the same and price is not always most important although it was nice of your employees to offer to give back some of their salary so the fares could again be lowered. I can fly on an airplane today for less than I did 20 years ago. thanx

 

[wingwalker]

" Airlines are not all the same and price is not always most important although it was nice of your employees to offer to give back some of their salary so the fares could again be lowered."


Personally, I feel the passengers go where they can get the lowest fares they can. NW had videos on their aircraft. Not enough passengers bought the headsets to watch the movie. Then NW gave out free headsets to watch the movie. Still didn't bring 'em in droves. So, NW 86'd movies.

What does bring passengers is lower fares. Not quite enough people. In '92 the employees subsidized the passengers fares for three years. Viola! NW was immediately in the black. Now in '05, the airlines are asking employees to subsidize once again passenger fares.

My question is, why should I take a cut in wages so you can fly cheaper? Those other airlines you talk about are LCC's. They have never paid the best wages. Those of us in the mainline carriers which have been around for more than 60 or 70 years and do offer true international travel, pay their employees a liveable wage. Or they used to. Why is it wrong for me, an airline employee, to be able to buy a house and support a family? With what is happening in court these days, airline employees are losing their pensions, wages, jobs, houses... I certainly hope you're enjoying your "lowered" air fares. Because the new airline employee can't afford to fly because we're subsidizing these "lowered" air fares.

 

[North by Northwest]

Please let this diaper thread die...

 

[kiowa]

from North by Northwest

"Perhaps we should consider temp. paycuts (tied to profit-sharing)to ensure NWA remains a dominate player in the long run."


thanx again n by nw for your pay contributions and attitude to keep fares low. your pay cuts are appreciated as long as nwa remains a "dominate player"

 

[North by Northwest]

Kiowa:"thanx again n by nw for your pay contributions and attitude to keep fares low. your pay cuts are appreciated as long as nwa remains a "dominate player"
Please correct me if I misunderstood your sarcasim...however, if I understand your comment correctly...you think we should take pay cuts to keep fares low so that you can fly on cheap tickets and take the money off of our tables to put into your pockets. Stay home. The world and the process of earning a living must be confusing to you at times. Why would any sane person take a voluntary paycut except to ensure the continued operation of their company. It most certainly would not be to benefit people who think it is their GOD given right to fly CHEAP. Yeah, I have an attitude...and it's for NWA to survive and pay liveable wages. Dear Sir, you had better hope that you don't wake up one day and go into work and find out your job has been out-sourced for lower prices. Careful what you wish for (when it comes to others lively hood).The next "low fare" position may be your own.

 

[kiowa]

n by nw;

the quote was from YOU. YOUR suggestion of lower wages just got an appreciation post from me.

here it is-----

North by Northwest Jan 24 2005, 06:30 PM Post #1



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Merrill cuts airline earnings view on higher oil cost



9:30:22 AM ET 1/24/2005

NEW YORK (MarketWatch) - Merrill Lynch cut its earnings estimates for half the airlines it covers Monday, based on a $5 per barrel increase in the cost of jet fuel it predicts for 2005. "High oil prices will accelerate an industry restructuring that is long overdue," Merrill's research note said. "Some carriers will be forced to retrench further and some may even go out of business." Low-cost carriers JetBlue (JBLU) and Southwest (LUV) are best positioned to capitalize on any industry disruption, while AMR (AMR), Continental (CAL), and Northwest (NWAC) "are best positioned to 'weather' the industry storm", the analysts said

Perhaps we should consider temp. paycuts (tied to profit-sharing)to ensure NWA remains a dominate player in the long run.


thanx again

 

[mweiss]

This is all well and good, but somehow you've managed to move the conversation to the wrong thread...

 

[Kev3188]

Please let this diaper thread die...

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Speaking of NxNW's previous posts/quotes, let's take the one cited above to heart....

 

[kiowa]

progress! perhaps the a330s will rid us of those other terrible seats in those antique dc10s.

 

[kiowa]

I was just on a United transcon 757 with their new premium configuration. GREAT business sets, leather with lots of legroom! It would be nice if NWA could copy that comfort level with their MSP-west coast aircraft.

 

[kiowa]

Good News. I hope these new RJ seats will be of better quality than the dc-9s they will probably replace.



Mesaba wins bid to fly CRJs for Northwest
Monday April 25, 2005
For the first time, Mesaba Airlines has landed a deal to operate CRJs as a Northwest Airlink partner.Up until now, all CRJ flying has been done by Pinnacle Airlines, which operates 123 44-seat CRJs on behalf of Northwest. On Friday, Mesaba announced the signing of a letter of intent with NWA to operate 15 CRJs with options on an additional 20. The aircraft, valued at $386 million, will be purchased from Bombardier by Northwest and leased to Mesaba, whose current fleet comprises 63 Saab 340s and 42 Avro RJ85s.

"Taking on three fleet types is a challenge," Mesaba spokesperson Dave Jackson told ATWOnline, "but we've made a lot of investment in this company over the past few years to get ourselves ready." He cited a new headquarters building, state-of-the-art SOC and training center as examples. Current Mesaba pilots will have the opportunity to fly the CRJs, with new hires being trained for the Saabs, he said.

"It was a competitive choice," said Northwest spokesperson Thomas Becher of the selection. Under terms of its latest pilot deal, NWA can add up to 40 more RJs and convert up to 60 currently configured with 44 seats (Pinnacle's CRJ440s) to 50-seat CRJ200s. Northwest has options for another 150 RJs, he said.

 

[Bigsky]

The DC9 is more comfortable than any RJ. BTW you should be used to riding in the back of RJs as UAL has many more of them flying their domestic network than NWA does.

 

[North by Northwest]

"I was just on a United transcon 757 with their new premium configuration. GREAT business sets, leather with lots of legroom!" I agree! It is a fine product. Unfortunatel, it is a dying breed. We all are headed (domestically) for the no frills to the bone.

 

[9epnsrip]

The DC9 is more comfortable than any RJ. BTW you should be used to riding in the back of RJs as UAL has many more of them flying their domestic network than NWA does.

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Bigsky,
You are on the right track. Ride a RJ from MSP to PNS. You wished it would have been a DC 9.... :huh: