BIG NOR'EASTER DUE
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BuffaloJoe
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This is gonna be one BIG storm. Look at it already and it didn't hit the Atlantic yet. When it hits the Atlantic this sucker is going to be enormus.
I just looked on Flight Aware and the routes to DFW from PHL, going via Wichita.
Good Luck Folks!
I just looked on Flight Aware and the routes to DFW from PHL, going via Wichita.
Good Luck Folks!
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Phl forecast
Tomorrow night: Showers early, becoming a steady rain late. Low 41F. Winds SE at 10 to 20 mph. Chance of rain 70%. Rainfall near a quarter of an inch.
Sunday: Windy...rain and a few thunderstorms in the morning, still overcast late with more rain likely - it will be heavy at times. High 43F. Winds ENE at 20 to 30 mph. Chance of rain 90%. Significant rainfall amounts possible.
Monday: Windy with a few showers. Highs in the low 40s and lows in the mid 30s.
Tomorrow night: Showers early, becoming a steady rain late. Low 41F. Winds SE at 10 to 20 mph. Chance of rain 70%. Rainfall near a quarter of an inch.
Sunday: Windy...rain and a few thunderstorms in the morning, still overcast late with more rain likely - it will be heavy at times. High 43F. Winds ENE at 20 to 30 mph. Chance of rain 90%. Significant rainfall amounts possible.
Monday: Windy with a few showers. Highs in the low 40s and lows in the mid 30s.
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When we went to Sabre within a week the airline was running fine.
IN ONE WEEK????????? Where at Twilite Zone Int'l Airport?
Our Sabre cutover was 05Dec98, the mass confussion lasted the rest of December with constant modem crashers at peak periods and no guidance on procedures except for the little gray book we were issued. The response from management? "oh we didn't buy the right Sabre package" which was later followed by "The agents hsven't accepted SABRE yet"
ONE WEEK????????
IN ONE WEEK????????? Where at Twilite Zone Int'l Airport?
Our Sabre cutover was 05Dec98, the mass confussion lasted the rest of December with constant modem crashers at peak periods and no guidance on procedures except for the little gray book we were issued. The response from management? "oh we didn't buy the right Sabre package" which was later followed by "The agents hsven't accepted SABRE yet"
ONE WEEK????????
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WHERE WERE YOU WORKING???PHL was doing just fine in one to two weeks...there were no lines at my tkt counter and no outages.....This pig of a system is into week 6 and still cant handle the scope of east coast operations...There is a reason why Europe and the Carib are going to drop QIK and use only native Shares
as the prop turns
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Told you Newman..a week and after Sabre was installed, PHL was pretty much running normal....I'm glad someone else remembered it was a "relativley" smooth migration.
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Hope I'm wrong but got a feeling CLT will be short staffed tommorrow for which employees will be blamed. See CLT runs on over time & got a feeling most will not be taking it tommorrow as enough is enough.
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PhillyPhlyer -
You are WAY off base on your assessment of the SABRE cutover. Newman's recall of the event is much more on target. We were still having SABRE related issues into the January lull. On time performance over the heavy travel period were just as pitiful as our recent performance.
Just a thought about how the upcoming storm and how airlines "think" when planning for these types of events. We all know that every major NE airport will have delay programs at some point tomorrow. Since they are forecasting heavy rain and windy conditions, you can expect very low arrival rates in PHL, the NYC Metros, BOS and possibly the DC Metros (depending on how far south the storm goes).
Let's say that in PHL the average hourly arrival rate is 52 and demand is near 50 per hour at peak times. If US goes in and starts cancelling flights today for tomorrow, EVERY AIRLINE benefits from our cancellations since the demand is reduced. Then when conditions deteriorate, and a delay program is implimented, we have to cancel ADDITIONAL flights in order to reduce OUR delays.
Now, same scenario, different reaction. We withhold cancelling any flights until there is a delay program issued. Once the delay program is issued, we cancel the same flights we were going to cancel the previous day. WE are able to use those ATC slots to improve OUR flying by adjusting our slot allocations and other airlines will have to do the same with their own slots. If we wait to react to a known event, then WE benefit from our own "plan" versus benefiting ALL airlines. By waiting to react, we reduce the number of cancellations and delays WE experience by managing OUR slots once the program is in place. If we cancel to early, then our cancellations benefit our competitors, increase our cancellations and delay tiime.
So, as an airline you are in an aweful catch 22. Cancel early - customer friendly, but you will suffer a greater operational impact with more cancellations and delays while assisting the competition improve their performance. Cancel once the event starts - and you reduce delays and cancellations, but it is less customer friendly. (You will still have the ability to cancel SOME flights early enough to contact customers, but some will be cancelled without enough time or with customers at the airport.) Do we cancel 30% of our flying in PHL in advance, while other carriers only cancel 10% tomorrow. Or do we each cancel 18-20% tomorrow and other carriers do the same.
While forecast models are not predicting an ice/snow event in the major metro areas, everyone here knows that the weather will have a significant impact on tomorrows operation. Planning these types of events are very hard to manage in a way that is customer friendly and operationally sound.
Just something to think of when you are arm chair quarterbacking on Monday....because we all know how everyone here is a resident expert on the right way to run an airline (after the fact).
You are WAY off base on your assessment of the SABRE cutover. Newman's recall of the event is much more on target. We were still having SABRE related issues into the January lull. On time performance over the heavy travel period were just as pitiful as our recent performance.
Just a thought about how the upcoming storm and how airlines "think" when planning for these types of events. We all know that every major NE airport will have delay programs at some point tomorrow. Since they are forecasting heavy rain and windy conditions, you can expect very low arrival rates in PHL, the NYC Metros, BOS and possibly the DC Metros (depending on how far south the storm goes).
Let's say that in PHL the average hourly arrival rate is 52 and demand is near 50 per hour at peak times. If US goes in and starts cancelling flights today for tomorrow, EVERY AIRLINE benefits from our cancellations since the demand is reduced. Then when conditions deteriorate, and a delay program is implimented, we have to cancel ADDITIONAL flights in order to reduce OUR delays.
Now, same scenario, different reaction. We withhold cancelling any flights until there is a delay program issued. Once the delay program is issued, we cancel the same flights we were going to cancel the previous day. WE are able to use those ATC slots to improve OUR flying by adjusting our slot allocations and other airlines will have to do the same with their own slots. If we wait to react to a known event, then WE benefit from our own "plan" versus benefiting ALL airlines. By waiting to react, we reduce the number of cancellations and delays WE experience by managing OUR slots once the program is in place. If we cancel to early, then our cancellations benefit our competitors, increase our cancellations and delay tiime.
So, as an airline you are in an aweful catch 22. Cancel early - customer friendly, but you will suffer a greater operational impact with more cancellations and delays while assisting the competition improve their performance. Cancel once the event starts - and you reduce delays and cancellations, but it is less customer friendly. (You will still have the ability to cancel SOME flights early enough to contact customers, but some will be cancelled without enough time or with customers at the airport.) Do we cancel 30% of our flying in PHL in advance, while other carriers only cancel 10% tomorrow. Or do we each cancel 18-20% tomorrow and other carriers do the same.
While forecast models are not predicting an ice/snow event in the major metro areas, everyone here knows that the weather will have a significant impact on tomorrows operation. Planning these types of events are very hard to manage in a way that is customer friendly and operationally sound.
Just something to think of when you are arm chair quarterbacking on Monday....because we all know how everyone here is a resident expert on the right way to run an airline (after the fact).
singh4us
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Since the onset of SHARES, we seldom have agents signing up for OT. We don't have Open Time agents, thus vacations and sick calls are not covered in DCA. Before SHARES, the OT roosters were full of willing and able personnel to work extra shifts.
as the prop turns
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Sorry Mr. Mark MY Words, within a week or two everything was pretty much running ok. I have the same recolection as PHLflyer.
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http://www.intellicast.com/IcastPage/LoadP...mp;prodnav=none Northeast radar coverage, also click on "United States" for the big picture, enjoy the weather!!!
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Last night I was messing around tracking some odd ball flights from PHL-DFW AA had flights go west to Wichita then down to DFW and US was going down near MSY. Some of the routes were way out of the way, but I know the meaning for it. I flew STL-SJC on TW back in 1992, we flew south over AUS before turning towards SJC. There were some severe T-Storms over the midwest. The pilot said to us that we had to take additional fuel on for the flight so we can depart and fly around the system. We were one of the few that could cause the 72S and M80's were grounded, not being able to make the west coast. We were in a 767 so I take it that was capable.
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Where exactly is Mystic Island? I've never heard of it.
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Can anyone tell us what precautions are being taken to protect our passengers, crews and agents from this mess? Any preemptive strikes such as cancellations? If I were VP of operations I would already have offered overtime with hotels in PHL with space positive to PHL-CLT-BOS and DCA to help in the process. For crews anyone that makes themself availible on an off day gets pay no credit. If necessary run an extra segments to get them there! All corporate managers should be SHARES trained and ready to deploy. Is everyone just sitting here waiting for the sucker punch? :blink:
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North of Atlantic City! I would say about 10 miles?
