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You sir are incorrect! There is no "binding arbitration" under the RLA. For the umpteenth time, mediation, impasse, cooling off period, free to strike, free to impose "yellowdog".

Get with the program dude...


My Bad! I was thinking of the Kasher decision regarding the seniority integration of the TWU and IAM members...
I've been so conditioned to having the TWU not fight for anything and giving in to company demands that nothing has ever gone to arbitration except the integration issue.
 
More information/details would be helpful. I'm especially curious as to what the company offered relative to their previous offer a few months ago. Oil is way down but so is demand... kind of a wash, and still not a great time to be trying to get it all back.
 
More information/details would be helpful. I'm especially curious as to what the company offered relative to their previous offer a few months ago. Oil is way down but so is demand... kind of a wash, and still not a great time to be trying to get it all back.

Frontline, what you fail to or just plain don't understand is that this company, with the help of the TWU took back mutually negotiated contracts that were won over the past 40 years. So it only goes to reason that since it took one day to decimate our contracts in 2003 with bankruptcy threats, we should at least get our contracts restored to 2003 levels. It is almost 2009, and even if we were restored to 2003, we are still 6 years behind. Still a good deal for this company.
And you, like other pro management ilks say you are tired of hearing our broken record tune of anti executive pup payouts, but you also overlook the fact that they continue to receive pups regardless of the economy, and when we demand full restoration and more, you remind us that it is not the best of times to do so.

Every item that has been fought for over the last four decades has become an issue to fight for all over again.
 
To: All Members of AA Locals 501 – 590

From: John M. Conley, ATD Director

Re: Reflections on 12.2 to 12.12 AA “SuperSession†Negotiations

To say I am disappointed would be a gross understatement – it is difficult to distinguish between arrogance and ignorance, referring to the company’s comprehensive proposal of December 12. Are they destitute of knowledge, unaware, untutored - or simply antagonist, arrogant and domineering? Perhaps a combination of all, as the TWU addressed sensitive issues and offered creative solutions that were countered with nothing but the same lethargic, uninspired, one sided demands that are the hallmark of AA negotiating tactics. We did not ignore the competitive realities or economic frailty of the current environment. In fact, our proposals were anything but destructive, toxic or unrealistic – after all, intuitively, an unhealthy employer does not serve the intrinsic interests or needs of our members. We negotiated with a full understanding of industry challenges; we considered forward looking seminal contract changes while protecting and enhancing the economic interests of our members.

In the end, we negotiated with the intent of satisfying the interests of both parties. However, the Company came to the table with a small carrot and big demands – demands that were short sighted, unrealistic, impotent efforts to achieve what other carriers could only execute in a bankruptcy court room. The TWU presented resourceful solutions that addressed the company’s long term needs in substantive ways while protecting current and future members. Since our efforts went unacknowledged and undervalued, we will be hard pressed to consider cornerstone subjects such as these in future negotiations. American squandered an opportunity to achieve equilibrium and long term competitive parity by overreaching – the TWU did not refuse to consider timeworn, foundational modifications – which if enacted, would have positioned American to compete and succeed, providing stability while balancing the opportunity for our members to realize gains, now and prospectively. In the end it was a losing proposition, as American Airlines demanded that we leave the “unborn†behind.

We remain unequivocal in our commitment to our members, our future members, and the future of our Union. A formal application for mediation services was submitted this a.m. and we anticipate a case number being assigned by week’s end. Further updates will be forthcoming.

AA Joint Negotiation Committee Update December 12, 2008
The TWU Joint Negotiating Committee represents Title III Fleet Service, Title IV Ground Service, Title V Stock Clerks, Simulator Pilot and Ground School Instructors, and Flight Simulator Technicians.

An announcement will be made regarding status of negotiations between the TWU and AA relative to Federal Mediation on Monday, December 15.

http://www.twu.org/default.asp?contentID=867
 
And....."Your lucky to have a job, Brother

You ARE lucky to have a job. Talk to the guys at MCI and DFW/AFW who will get hit with a furlough. Is it better to have a concessionary (for now) salary or no salary at all?

Lots of people in my profession are getting laid off right now, many just before the holidays. Several of my recently unemployed friends have said specifically that they would have rather taken a pay cut of 20% than lost their income entirely (a pay cut of 100%).
 
You ARE lucky to have a job. Talk to the guys at MCI and DFW/AFW who will get hit with a furlough. Is it better to have a concessionary (for now) salary or no salary at all?

Lots of people in my profession are getting laid off right now, many just before the holidays. Several of my recently unemployed friends have said specifically that they would have rather taken a pay cut of 20% than lost their income entirely (a pay cut of 100%).

concessionary (for now) has now been over 5 years.

Should we all maintain aircraft for min. wage so everyone can have a paltry wage earning job?
Would management work for 1/2 pay so we can all have a job?

Please tell me what is your dog in this hunt?
 
You ARE lucky to have a job. Talk to the guys at MCI and DFW/AFW who will get hit with a furlough. Is it better to have a concessionary (for now) salary or no salary at all?

Lots of people in my profession are getting laid off right now, many just before the holidays. Several of my recently unemployed friends have said specifically that they would have rather taken a pay cut of 20% than lost their income entirely (a pay cut of 100%).

I should make less so that you can still have a job ?????


Dont let the door hit you in the arse on your way out

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You ARE lucky to have a job. Talk to the guys at MCI and DFW/AFW who will get hit with a furlough. Is it better to have a concessionary (for now) salary or no salary at all?

Lots of people in my profession are getting laid off right now, many just before the holidays. Several of my recently unemployed friends have said specifically that they would have rather taken a pay cut of 20% than lost their income entirely (a pay cut of 100%).


Just ask the last guys that took 17.5 plus all the extra cuts,how many got laid off ? this is AA your dealing with.Take a cut then they cut heads amyway!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They have done that Brother!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
You ARE lucky to have a job. Talk to the guys at MCI and DFW/AFW who will get hit with a furlough. Is it better to have a concessionary (for now) salary or no salary at all?

Lots of people in my profession are getting laid off right now, many just before the holidays. Several of my recently unemployed friends have said specifically that they would have rather taken a pay cut of 20% than lost their income entirely (a pay cut of 100%).


Corporate America just loves this logic. This way people like yourself will be happy to work for less and less because you are "lucky to have a job."
 
This is a tough issue. There is a time to take a principled stand and a time to be a pragmatist. Right now I lean toward the latter because I don't see anything else out there better than the (concessionary) wage I'm currently receiving. If times were good and unemployment low, we'd have a much stronger negotiating position. But choosing to be pragmatic at this point means looking reality straight in the face, and it ain't pretty.
 
Got to love the management that takes on an alias here and makes such post.....as if we are stupid.
 

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