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Brundage now says labor is a brick in AA's backpack

AMR has the data, by job code and by work group for what it actually costs for all of the items broken out in the Total Value statement.

I find it interesting that I can no longer access even my own prior year TVS through jetnet.
 
The average wage/salary/benefit expense per employee for AA mainline employees (from the AA 10-Ks, not the AMR 10-Ks so as to exclude Eagle) has increased from $81,329 in 2002 to $93,504 in 2009 - that's an increase of over $12,000. I've posted various explanations (as has eolesen) but you've not been satisfied with them. FAs have a much longer progression to top-out and thus, thousands of them hired throughout the 1990s saw their pay increase each year following the concessions. Same with pilots hired in the late 1990s. Yes, the TWA FAs were topped out, but pilots and mechanics weren't just stapled, so the furloughs included nAAtives as well as TWA vets.

I actually agree with you - you'd think that with all the retirements over the past seven years that the average wage expense would not have increased quite as much as it has.

Average AA FA wages have increased from about $42k in 2002 to about $51k in 2009:

http://www.airlinefinancials.com/airline_data_comparisons.html (chart #64)

If average wage has increased by $9,000/year, then average wage/salary expense to AMR has easily increased by $11k or $12k. AA's cost for medical insurance has increased since 2002 despite the increases charged to the employees.

Chart #63 shows that the average wages for AA pilots has increased by about $10k over the same period. Add in the taxes and benefits and AA's pilots probably cost about $12k more per year on average. Dunno about fleet or agents, but perhaps their average wage expense has increased by similar numbers. As to mechanics, perhaps overtime has ballooned, which would increase the average cost per employee.

I realize that the insatiable desire for conspiracy theories about management pay are driving the bus here, but it's pretty obvious that the concessions, while deep and painful, are constantly overstated and exaggerated. Just days before September 11, 2001, the FAs ratified their new contract with large pay raises. A few weeks after September 11, the TWU ratified their large pay-raise contract. As to those two groups, the concessions merely placed the employees back where they were in summer of 2001 before their large raises.

The numbers simply dont add up. You are claiming that the costs went up $10 or $12k because people were going up steps, well that might be plausible if we hadnt taken a 25% paycut. The number of people going up steps would have to be astronomical to not only make up the 25% paycut across the board (even for those on steps)(ok 18% after you plug in the increases) but bring the average pay another $12000 higher than it was before the 25% paycut. Like I said its not as if nobody retires, so if the numbers are declining, coming from the top that would more than offset step raises. Lets do an example;
Year 1-2002
Employee A New hire $50,000 all in except 2 weeks of VC $2000 Total $52000
Employee B 15 years $80,000 all in except 4 weeks VC $5600 Total $ 85200
Employee c 30 years $80,000 all in except 7 weeks VC $9800 Total $89800
Average pay equals $75,700

Cut the pay by 25%
Employee A = $39000
Employee B =$63900
Employee c= $67350
New Average pay =$56759

7 years later employee A is at top pay and Employee C retired and the workforce is 1/3 smaller.
2009
Employee A =$61340 plus 7%*=$65000 (difference due to VC)
Employee B =$63900 plus 7%*=$68100
So the new average pay should be $66,550.

$66550- $75,700= -9150, as you said it went up $12,000, so there's over a $20,000 difference.

So as you can see even if 1/3 of the workforce was hired in 2002 (my guess is it was less than 5%) the average, due to the fact that mainly through attrition at the top end our workforce has shrunk by around 35%, there is no way that our average pay could have gone up that much. We would have to be earning around $20,000 a year more in OT each than we were in 2002 to bring it up $12,000 past our preconcession average, thats around 380 hours more per person.

So how did it go up $12k when it should be down at least $9k if 1/3 of the workforce was at entry level wages in 2002? Well perhaps some of that could be from the RISE program, where they took all the maintenance supervisors and made them Managers. Yea they cut the number but its crept back up to where we now have more managers per mechanic than we had supervisors per mechanic in 2002. Recently they just made another area director for the northeast even though headcount wise we are around the same as when we only had one area director for the whole East coast.

* we only had a wage increase of 7%, none of the other components of the 25% cut were restored. I figured that the new hire after seven years was back up to two weeks of VC and the 15 year guy now had 21 years so was back up to 4 weeks of VC.
 
September 23, 2010

Mr. Brundage,

Having read the recent article by Mary Schlangenstein from the Bloomberg news agency I am sure that you have been contacted about your quote relating to labor at American Airlines. Allow me to once again remind you of your words, which like a spent arrow, can never be retrieved once let loose.

"It's significant. It's a big brick in our backpack to being competitive in this industry."

As the Senior Vice President for Human Relations at American Airlines I would like to ask if you actually think before you speak. Is your job classification as Senior Vice President for Human Relations to improve or destroy "human relations" at American Airlines with the work force here? You joined AA back in December of 1999 as Managing Director of Employee Relations for Flight and then in two years time were named Vice President of Employee Relations. Then in another two years time you were appointed to your current position. So it would be safe to say that you helped with the burden of the "shAAred sAAcrifice" which kept American Airlines from filing bankruptcy. You remember? The life changing loss of pay and benefits forced upon employees of American Airlines. (You might have missed these sacrifices as you accepted bonuses over the years but I thought I would ask.) So in your roughly ten years of being employed at American Airlines I would also take a guess and say that you understand the importance of having a skilled, professional work force, aka labor.

So all of the wisdom garnered in your employment with American Airlines in relation to labor the best you can openly say to the media, public and employees of AA is that we are considered a "brick" to being competitive? Well then, does this mean that our "shAAred sAAcrifice" was for naught? Or does it mean that after the BILLIONS of dollars given up by labor it is actually American Airlines' management that is the proverbial "brick" to being competitive?

I think it is humorous that you chose the word "brick" to describe labor at American Airlines. I mean after all a "brick" is as Mirriam-Webster states "A handy sized unit of building.". To build anything one can argue that "bricks" are necessary. But of course your implication of the word was to describe labor, the very men and women who produce the product we sell to our customers, as a dead weight or burden to higher profits.

The humorous part that I allude to in your choice of words is that "brick" also means, again in Mirriam-Webster; "Blunder, bobble, screw-up, miscue, goof, gaffe" and my favorite "boob". As I state above, perhaps since AA cannot be "competitive in this industry" is because of the "bricks" in management. Since I have personally participated in "shAAred sAAcrifice" my opinion is pretty much on the mark. By the way Mr. Brundage, since this was a "shAAred sAAcrifice" and I along with my fellow Aircraft Maintenance Technicians enjoyed the loss of 28 1/2% of pay and benefits over 5 years, oops, I mean 7 years (since it was 2003 we accepted these concession and here we are in 2010), did you help the company and take similar cuts?

The next time you find yourself in front of a camera or news reporter and the urge hits you like a brick to try and define what labor is at American Airlines might I suggest that you refer to labor as the CORNERSTONE of this great airline. Which you will find out according to Mirriam-Webster as being "a basic element, FOUNDATION". This is very appropriate because without labor your foundation can crumble. And as a friendly reminder of this suggestion please accept this cornerstone that is attached to this correspondence.

Sincerely,

Ken MacTiernan
Certificated A&P, I.A..
American Airlines AMT
“A brick in American Airlines foundation.”
 
September 23, 2010

Mr. Brundage,

Having read the recent article by Mary Schlangenstein from the Bloomberg news agency I am sure that you have been contacted about your quote relating to labor at American Airlines. Allow me to once again remind you of your words, which like a spent arrow, can never be retrieved once let loose.

"It's significant. It's a big brick in our backpack to being competitive in this industry."

As the Senior Vice President for Human Relations at American Airlines I would like to ask if you actually think before you speak. Is your job classification as Senior Vice President for Human Relations to improve or destroy "human relations" at American Airlines with the work force here? You joined AA back in December of 1999 as Managing Director of Employee Relations for Flight and then in two years time were named Vice President of Employee Relations. Then in another two years time you were appointed to your current position. So it would be safe to say that you helped with the burden of the "shAAred sAAcrifice" which kept American Airlines from filing bankruptcy. You remember? The life changing loss of pay and benefits forced upon employees of American Airlines. (You might have missed these sacrifices as you accepted bonuses over the years but I thought I would ask.) So in your roughly ten years of being employed at American Airlines I would also take a guess and say that you understand the importance of having a skilled, professional work force, aka labor.

So all of the wisdom garnered in your employment with American Airlines in relation to labor the best you can openly say to the media, public and employees of AA is that we are considered a "brick" to being competitive? Well then, does this mean that our "shAAred sAAcrifice" was for naught? Or does it mean that after the BILLIONS of dollars given up by labor it is actually American Airlines' management that is the proverbial "brick" to being competitive?

I think it is humorous that you chose the word "brick" to describe labor at American Airlines. I mean after all a "brick" is as Mirriam-Webster states "A handy sized unit of building.". To build anything one can argue that "bricks" are necessary. But of course your implication of the word was to describe labor, the very men and women who produce the product we sell to our customers, as a dead weight or burden to higher profits.

The humorous part that I allude to in your choice of words is that "brick" also means, again in Mirriam-Webster; "Blunder, bobble, screw-up, miscue, goof, gaffe" and my favorite "boob". As I state above, perhaps since AA cannot be "competitive in this industry" is because of the "bricks" in management. Since I have personally participated in "shAAred sAAcrifice" my opinion is pretty much on the mark. By the way Mr. Brundage, since this was a "shAAred sAAcrifice" and I along with my fellow Aircraft Maintenance Technicians enjoyed the loss of 28 1/2% of pay and benefits over 5 years, oops, I mean 7 years (since it was 2003 we accepted these concession and here we are in 2010), did you help the company and take similar cuts?

The next time you find yourself in front of a camera or news reporter and the urge hits you like a brick to try and define what labor is at American Airlines might I suggest that you refer to labor as the CORNERSTONE of this great airline. Which you will find out according to Mirriam-Webster as being "a basic element, FOUNDATION". This is very appropriate because without labor your foundation can crumble. And as a friendly reminder of this suggestion please accept this cornerstone that is attached to this correspondence.

Sincerely,

Ken MacTiernan
Certificated A&P, I.A..
American Airlines AMT
“A brick in American Airlines foundation.”


Here!! Here, Ken!!

Eloquently written. Your reply to Brundage perfectly describes the sentiment of the AA workforce regarding his insulting remark and the state of employee relations. I'm tired of putting my life on hold and waiting for my reciprocal shAAre while this clueless management repeatedly drives this great airline further into the depths of no return. I dearly love my job and I have a great, professional work attitude. I never take the crap that AA dishes out to me and dump it on our customers. That's just unprofessional. When I'm at work I give 100% and often times more, But I'm at the end of my rope. This dedicated and loyal employee is ready to strike, and it can't happen soon enough! Whatever happens, happens. Thanks to the executive "management" for pulling the rug out from under the company moral.
 
I think most of you are trying to make an issue out of something that just isn't. Whether we want to admit it or not, the bankruptcy's at the other airlines mean that AA has high costs. And yes that is going to weigh down our chances of getting back to profits.

Some of you will grab on to any little thing and try to make it a huge issue just to pick a fight with management. I don't think that's helpful for anyone.
 
Who's picking a fight? It's all the little things (in addition to the big things) that just keep adding up like straws on a camel's back. Day after day, year after year the executive management keeps sowing their seeds of disrespect and indifference. Well, the crop has sprouted and is beginning to bloom.
 
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-09-21/american-struggles-with-costs-unions-as-mergers-erase-top-airline-status.html

I don't know about everyone else, but I'm more motivated now than ever.


I bet that clown never worked a day in his life.
 
I think most of you are trying to make an issue out of something that just isn't. Whether we want to admit it or not, the bankruptcy's at the other airlines mean that AA has high costs. And yes that is going to weigh down our chances of getting back to profits.

Some of you will grab on to any little thing and try to make it a huge issue just to pick a fight with management. I don't think that's helpful for anyone.


fl,

I must say you certainly post as instructed. Who else would comment that brundage's comments weren't inflammatory?

What is it exactly about being lied to, abused and just flat out disrespected that you enjoy? It was MANAGEMENT, along with the twu, that stole billions of dollars to stay away from the bk boogieman. It was MANAGEMENT, along with the twu's blessings, that continued to receive bonuses while we helped burden the "shAAred sAAcrifice".

Your post implies that MANAGEMENT is wrong for not filing bk back in 2003 along with all the other airlines but management implies we are the "bricks".

Sucking up to management is a horrible trait/quality but you seem to thrive on it. Brundage's comment was and is disrespectful. PERIOD! I didn't pick this fight MANAGEMENT did!
 
I bet that clown never worked a day in his life.

How little you guys know about the guy on the other side of the table...

Prior to joining American [in 1999], Brundage worked for the Air Line Pilots Association International, most recently as the Senior Collective Bargaining Coordinator.

He began his aviation career as a pilot for Pocono Airlines before serving in the same capacity for Atlantic Coast Airlines.

When he was with ACA, Jeff was chairman of the MEC, and negotiated contracts from the union side of the table.

So it's your own worst nightmare: A non-MBA, former union official, former union president, former union member and pilot serving as your senior VP of HR.
 
So it's your own worst nightmare: A non-MBA, former union official, former union president, former union member and pilot serving as your senior VP of HR.


What's your point? Are you so naive that you believe he is not anti labor now? He's out for the little guy?
And you should look into one of those pilot contracts he negotiated......If that wasn't typical TWU "give the company whatever they want" style of negotiating, I don't know what is.

Once someone joins the ranks of the elite, they become members of the club...And being a friend to labor is prohibited and frowned upon.

After all, Jim Little was a member of management and look how well that turned our for TWU members.
 
Whether we want to admit it or not, the bankruptcy's at the other airlines mean that AA has high costs.

Funny you should bring that up. Yesterday I was in Manhattan on my way to the Museum of the American Indian and what do I see, the Bankruptcy Court.

Recall how we were told that the company was "on the steps of the BK court"? Well guess what? There arent any steps.

AA may have high costs in one area but lower costs in others. Their labor rates for Maintenance are near the bottom. They do more maint in house which saves them money on several fronts, some of which are hard to quantify and they undoubtably save when they borrow money because they never declared BK and they were obviuosly never "on the steps".
BK Court reduced.webp
 
What's your point?

Two points, actually.

First, you guys love to criticize management as being a bunch of MBA's who don't have a clue about what it is to live under a labor agreement. Here's proof positive that those claims are false. Non-MBA in a senior position, and he's worked as a union member. Maybe not at AMR, and since ACA was a regional, I'm willing to say the workrules and conditions were far worse than what you guys suffer under. And he's not the only one in the VP ranks who started out on the front line and/or in a union position.

Second, he's been on both sides of the negotiating table, something that nobody on the TWU's committee can claim. Jim Little may have worked in a management rated position, but it's doubtful he ever had signature authority to buy as much as a box of paper clips, let alone participate in negotiations...

Maybe you guys need to do likewise -- hire a few ex-management people who've been directly involved in the cost models and counter-proposal analysis. I know of one in the DFW area who might even be available. He's even got a MBA.
 
Two points, actually.

First, you guys love to criticize management as being a bunch of MBA's who don't have a clue about what it is to live under a labor agreement. Here's proof positive that those claims are false. Non-MBA in a senior position, and he's worked as a union member. Maybe not at AMR, and since ACA was a regional, I'm willing to say the workrules and conditions were far worse than what you guys suffer under. And he's not the only one in the VP ranks who started out on the front line and/or in a union position.

Second, he's been on both sides of the negotiating table, something that nobody on the TWU's committee can claim. Jim Little may have worked in a management rated position, but it's doubtful he ever had signature authority to buy as much as a box of paper clips, let alone participate in negotiations...

Maybe you guys need to do likewise -- hire a few ex-management people who've been directly involved in the cost models and counter-proposal analysis. I know of one in the DFW area who might even be available. He's even got a MBA.
sounds great except one problem the TWU

hopefully someone can talk you up on this offer /chance to contact this guy ty
 
"Maybe you guys need to do likewise -- hire a few ex-management people who've been directly involved in the cost models and counter-proposal analysis. I know of one in the DFW area who might even be available. He's even got a MBA."

Good points....
but honest representation that's pro mechanic would go a long way establishing trust and integrity in M&R.
And yeah...probably a realistic, informed attitude at the table would help.
But again...it's NOT labors fault either.

It's really very simple. The people of American Airlines are sick and tired of being lied to, short changed and basically crapped on.
They have watched there compensation go steadily backwards over the years, subsidizing AMRs slow death.
At some point you reach the attitude of..."I'm tired of paying for the company's mistakes-ta hell with it".(like at NWA)
 
Two points, actually.

First, you guys love to criticize management as being a bunch of MBA's who don't have a clue about what it is to live under a labor agreement. Here's proof positive that those claims are false. Non-MBA in a senior position, and he's worked as a union member. Maybe not at AMR, and since ACA was a regional, I'm willing to say the workrules and conditions were far worse than what you guys suffer under. And he's not the only one in the VP ranks who started out on the front line and/or in a union position.

Second, he's been on both sides of the negotiating table, something that nobody on the TWU's committee can claim. Jim Little may have worked in a management rated position, but it's doubtful he ever had signature authority to buy as much as a box of paper clips, let alone participate in negotiations...

Maybe you guys need to do likewise -- hire a few ex-management people who've been directly involved in the cost models and counter-proposal analysis. I know of one in the DFW area who might even be available. He's even got a MBA.

Means nothing. As I said before, once someone crosses the line into management, the people they once worked side by side with become the enemy.
the fact that he once worked as a union negotiator means nothing. All it tells me is that he changed his stripes and is getting compensated more than before.
 

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