Buyout with the merger
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I think there will be, but as long as the BK process and UCC is watching over the books and company reorg plan, there will be no disclosure of any plans.
You'll get the same buyout TWAers got... da boot and a parachute
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=867L15-KgXA&feature=youtube_gdata_player
I agree, but it wont be driven by excess headcount but rather a need for the company to bring in young blood. So it will be very limited. The combined AAG will have a mechanic workgroup that's on average over 55 years old, defeated and pissed. Not a good combination if you want timely departures and a workforce that will help challenge competitors with younger, better paid more highly motivated workers. New planes may help a little, but with new planes comes a learning curve, without much desire to learn, so when they break, and they will, its more likely to go out of service longer.
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FA's get $40k for early out on exit of BK and 1500 max can take it unless AA wants to up that amount.
Nothing in TWU's futuren don't know about pilots.
Nothing in TWU's futuren don't know about pilots.
My guess is unlimited Fleet and FAs, Pilots and Mechanics more restricted because they are in scarce supply. While they need to get more young blood the problem is there isn't much supply out there. I think AA will see what they were seeing in the late 80s, they wont be able to hire mechanics fast enough, especially in high cost areas, they were white slipping us five days a week back then and unlike the 80s there isn't a potential supply out there to bail them out this time.(The company has since given up the right to force OT) EAL and Pan Am saved AA back then supplying AA with plenty of experienced mechanics, there is nothing out there anymore. They may need to cannabalize OH for the mechanics only to find that many would rather hit the street than relocate. Sure they will hire guys but guys with no seniority have no reason to stay and tolerate the miserable pay, benefits and workrules that they jammed down our throats, as fast as they hire them and they come up to speed other carriers will hire them away from AA just like we saw back in the late 80s. Management was going nuts, blowing their budgets on training and OT and still struggling to get everything out on time as new hires would finish up their Gen Fam classes and turn in their resignations, AA was training mechanics for other carriers. AA had an ad campaign called "The on time machine", with a picture of a DC-10, we called it "The OT machine". When you factor in that our pay in real terms was much higher back then than it is now and the gap between AA and other carriers was much narrower it should be even harder for AA to round up and retain the bodies needed. We see senior guys quitting in DFW to go to WN, why would a Junior guy stay? There is a saying on Wall Street "Hogs get slaughtered". well AA management were hogs in BK, they took stuff out of spite, not out of need and its going to bite them in the ass.
Talked with a friend in Tulsa and several AMT's and AMT-O's are getting A-25 qualified in preparation of the line selling out the base. High senior guys at the base will bump out into the line and they will split an apartment and commute home on days off. Will it be everyone? Of course not, but even if it's 10%.......
The business model has changed and we must change ourselves. That means the bases and line need to get on the same page, NOW!!! If we are split, the company will nickel and dime us to death.
The business model has changed and we must change ourselves. That means the bases and line need to get on the same page, NOW!!! If we are split, the company will nickel and dime us to death.
Line selling out the base? Really? I`d say those 76%ers will be introduced to karma. As far as being "nickel and dimed to death", well its a little late. That's been happening for years!
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Too Little too late.Tulsa sealed their fate when they voted Yes. Its unrealistic to expect the line to try and undo what they did to themselves only to have Tulsa screw them at the next opportunity like they have done so many times before. To the 26% ers sorry we can't save you to the 74% ers you are getting what you voted for.
How much more could we the "NO" voters have tried to explain the "dangling carrot" theory to OH and no one cared about the langauge. OH listened to the wrong people again and will be held to it. Where is John Hewitt now explaining how great things are at OH? Do you understand now why I pushed for a "NO" vote? But I was trying to sell out OH claimed by the TWU leaders. Now I ask you OH who sold you out again by voting "yes". the reason why JFK voted 96% NO was because we read and went over every article and they understood the contract and how bad it was.
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FLASH!!! Got news for your friend in Tulsa. The Base sold out the line not the other way around. Tulsa was duped into voting yes to save jobs. How did that work out for you guys in Tulsa? A-25? Really. Did any yes voters read the language on Crew Chief bids?
Crew Chief openings are done internal per station only. Oh by the way the selection process is through a interview. Seniority means nothing thanks to the TWU and the YES voters. If you think that a guy from overhaul is going to be selected to be a crew chief on the line your dreaming. You can bump into a line station with a A-25 qual but that will get you nowhere if you bid a crew chief job. Good luck with that one. Guys in Tulsa voted yes and we line guys tried our best to convince them otherwise. TOO LATE BROTHER. We are all screwed thanks to the TWU and the Yes voters.
If they pass the A-25. Remember there is a lot of leeway left to the discretion of the guy giving the test. If they don't like the guy they can fail them. Just like the interview for CC where three management sit on the panel, only questions generated by management are asked during the interview and the answers aren't right or wrong, yes or no, its how they feel about them. Steve Luis was pushing for this and the CC review process way back in 2009, well he got it, and he got voted out and has since failed to get re-elected, have to give Tulsa credit for that, even if its too late for the contract.
OK all you "know it all's". A-25 is aircraft line maintenance qualification. It is a requirement for line maintenance. We are not talking about CC in any way. Wow, a bunch of professionals on the East coast.
Why did Peterson (DFW local President) sell us out on the 6 scale license premium during negotiations? Basically the "regional" pay we have been screaming for.
Why did Peterson (DFW local President) sell us out on the 6 scale license premium during negotiations? Basically the "regional" pay we have been screaming for.
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