Change of Control Award

[orioleman]

blackmagic
"I agree with Freedom. Wait till 2009? and then on and on after that?! WTF!! People are going to be old, dead, and gone with that kind of action."

I to agree I don't want to wait until 09 , but my point was with our NEG team I don't see any advancement in a renewed T/A

until they open the contract in 09 with hopefully a new NEG team . some with some juice.

 

[lithuanian]

If the Judicial system works in America it would be time to fine the official Counsel to represent the members that have been blindsided by any union or company. It is time to find someone representing workers of Airlines against the RLA into the REAL world. Any takers!

GO! A REAL RIGHTS ACTIVIST! MR. JOHN EDWARDS! A Civil DEFENSE LAWYER. HE is the guy people go to with a COMPLAINT against the CORPORATE SYSTEM!


THIS IS THE GUY that has nothing to loose but FIGHT for the BLUE COLLARS!

 

[freedom]

Freedom the hubs are not going to vote in a T/A that they don't feel is acceptable
because you feel the need to bring the stations not under an agreement under an agreement.
It won't happen. If the T/A improves we'll see. If they offer that same P.O.S. as last time it
will not be accepted. These stations have just as much of a say as the non represented stations
and they have the votes.. and though your personal opinion may not sway how others would
vote it may have them question how they decide. Thats' what mentality is all about and your not
helping your own issue by your posts. Support your IAM and co-workers don't berate them, thier
all you have now............

* your also the one who was ''gonna party like a rock star'' when the T/A was being voted on and
told everyone it was a ''done deal''. You should add to the conversation not balk at it.


bob

Conversation ? Where have you been ? The time for talk is OVER ! We have been more than patient on the west side , we’ve given you the time you wanted to sort out the COC , and we’ve listened to your objections to the previous TA . I understand and now more fully agree with you on the most important provision of any new TA being increased job security …


Perhaps you didn’t hear the fight bell ? But it rang today , and it’s on now , EDIT * (I hope you will forgive my disparaging remarks O man , sorry I got too fired up ..) , I’m not fighting you , I’m fighting the company .We’ve already had the TA discussion , and I’d say we came to a general consensus on what needs to be added in order to get a yes vote , now all that is left is to see it through …

Your either going to be standing behind us , or in front of us , and you don’t want to be standing in front of us .

 

[lithuanian]

Yeah, Freedom, the East have become the FORGOTTEN! Ron Roth came into the breakroom stating we are going to negotiations this month. Give the S###! In the last ONE YEAR this is REDERIC!
Our IAM is loosing it! We are now at the mercy of the company. We lost the CIC. We lost bargaining rites, such as the pilots did agreeing the the Republican government going for companies. This guy, BLOCH gives a S### to our cause. Workers need to get united for themselves. No, union nor American company seems to know what they are leading anymore. It's an electoral year. Vote, SMART, not by your needs. It's another 4 years. Go for someone who can deal with idiot companies that don't deal employees. Go! EDWARDS. The smartest of ATTORNEYS in the Democrats!

 

[Black Magic]

To me all the cards seem to be in the companys favor now. Even if a new TA agreement is offered it will probably be less than what the 1st one was. I can hear the excuses now oh the fuel prices, bad economy, high competition, it never ends.

 

[mike33]

I do believe about a month ago I posted how a new TA would look alot like UA fleet( IMO ). That may not be too far fetched now.......
It benefits the IAM and the Company. Easy merge as I see it. I think with possibly a new voting system, ( meaning Internet/telephone ), you could see some swing in the HUB votes if they are not voting in person.....Look for that to happen.......Yes Freedom, you very well could see ur vision without the " MUD "

 

[rat tales]

The west CBA scope language is way inferior, the IAM CBA has been around since 1949, no way would the East want to fall under your CBA.

Get use to it, your not IBT anymore, you will fall under the IAM CBA.

The company does not want to negotiate just for the west, that was proven when they stopped your negotiations.

You answered your own "What leverage do you have" question.
The inferior west CBA scope language prevents the company from outsourcing any stations for which they own gates. The Freight work they perform also is guaranteed. The company is drooling to outsource these jobs. Ask PHX and LAS how many positions are unfilled on the ramp. The company could easily outsource the Class III stations and close Freight operations and say "Look what heroes we are, we saved the company by outsourcing and no one is loosing jobs to the street. Whomever does not want to relocate can make their own decision to quit." Isn't that how the company flushes out the high seniority while they are at it?
Conversely the company is considering the cost of the pay increases with the west transitioning to the east T/A. Also being considered is the full time/ part time ratio. The west currently has about a 70% part time ratio. Upgrading that many people to full time would be very costly. There is leverage to be found.

So, Mr. Negotiator! East can't enter into Section 6 for 2 years.

In the 141 Messenger Canale babbled about rah rah rah lets go get everything we lost back in negotiations with "Solidarity". Even you know that now if you read the 141 website update, I'm sorry I mean the Canale Concessionary Speach, Canale changes his tone to "Airline industry conditions, and the situation at US Airways in particular, have deteriorated in the last year, and those conditions could be even worse when traditional bargaining begins."
Canale makes the statement that continuing Section 6 for the West would be "fruitless and impractical".

With this in mind, Randy already knows that US Airways is going to be looking for more concessions. The thoughts of getting returns with the current President visionary of 141 is what is fruitless.

Why can we not continue Section 6 Negotiations with the West group. Ask your buddies with 142 how T/A negotiations have gone so far. Same as 141... IAM hands Company proposal. Company says NO. Company hands IAM their proposal. IAM says NO......so on and so on.
This has gone on for 2 years already. "2 years during good times we will never get back!"
Knowing this we can be assured that the company would not further negotiations with the west. Until they reach an impass! yada yada yada, then a cooling off period, yada yada yada, then presto!!! STRIKE. If it is initiated NOW, this could transpire about the same time the East enters into Section 6.
Are we not allowed to honor the picket line of our brothers per Article 2 C of th East agreement? Would this not further the company to negotiate a T/A more favorably at that point?

The question, 700, should be; where can the leverage be found and where are the the out of the box fresh thinkers that will effectively negotiate for us and bring an equitable T/A to our membership.

Maybe we will have that answer next month!!! We shall see.

 

[Bear96]

GO! A REAL RIGHTS ACTIVIST! MR. JOHN EDWARDS! A Civil DEFENSE LAWYER.

Edwards was not a defense lawyer. He was a plaintiff's lawyer.

 

[orioleman]

I say Rat Tales for PRESIDENT..

Very good post. and Very valid points.

Canale and company NEG. = CONCESSIONS and JOB LOSSES

New regime and NEW NEG team = A chance of getting what WE (EAST and WEST) deserve.

FREEDOM

You want to come together .. Here is a challenge for you get YOUR boys onboard with a change . District elections are coming up
but heres the kicker .. Your boy ROTH is one of Canales boys . so change has got to come elsewhere. Want to show your unity
follow the east on this and You will GAIN our respect ..

 

[NETOSETONE]

Gee Tim Nelson, what have you got to say about all this? You seem to have the answer for everything!

 

[Ramp Rogue]

The TA offered us was for the most part reasonable , but there are three additions that we need in order to seal this deal .

1. Full sick pay and sick days

2. Full holiday pay and holidays

3 . Enhanced job security .


With these final 3 elements we can finally stop fighting …. Us Airways NEEDS a contract to be settled. ,Our company must show the business community that it CAN conclude labor agreements that will end the unrest .

You failed to mention HIRE DATE SENIORITY!

If west keeps their hire date for seniority for all bidding purposes, and every east employee doesn't get their hire date, there will be a full blown seniority battle. With all fingers pointing at the iam for letting it get to this. If you can't be fair to everyone, it is unfair to be fair to some. Remember that iam, as your days become numbered.

 

[bagchucker]

Together we STAND ... divided we FALL. Things just keep looking down for our work group... not one positive development has transpired since the merger and it doesn't look very prosperous for results anytime soon. Tired of the RAW deals, already. Time to channel this negative energy in a manner that gets results that will go in our favor....

 

[Hadenough]

You failed to mention HIRE DATE SENIORITY!

If west keeps their hire date for seniority for all bidding purposes, and every east employee doesn't get their hire date, there will be a full blown seniority battle. With all fingers pointing at the iam for letting it get to this. If you can't be fair to everyone, it is unfair to be fair to some. Remember that iam, as your days become numbered.

Date of hire is not one of the pressing issues that face the ramp. We CAN NOT put that on our dinner table and we sure DO NOT want to accept less wages for a issue that can be addressed later. We are all struggling financially under the current pay. We DO NOT want the the IAM to put this on the table because it will not cost the company one cent and they would gladly grant it in exchange for something of real value.

 

[B.B. Mcgee]

Together we STAND ... divided we FALL. Things just keep looking down for our work group... not one positive development has transpired since the merger and it doesn't look very prosperous for results anytime soon. Tired of the RAW deals, already. Time to channel this negative energy in a manner that gets results that will go in our favor....

Amen Brother!! Whether you are MX/MTC or FS, East or West, that last straw is always in the same hand! Accomplishments can be greater if Unity can be found amongst us.

 

[Ramp Rogue]

Date of hire is not one of the pressing issues that face the ramp. We CAN NOT put that on our dinner table and we sure DO NOT want to accept less wages for a issue that can be addressed later. We are all struggling financially under the current pay. We DO NOT want the the IAM to put this on the table because it will not cost the company one cent and they would gladly grant it in exchange for something of real value.

I understand what you are saying. But you should understand this. If there is another downsizing in our future, will you still be singing the same tune if you are furloughed while someone in your station that is junior to you is still working? Or if there is another merger, being placed below another airline because you think DOH isn't worth fighting for?