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And the little tidbit about the flight originating in CLT was aimed squarely at that segment of the East pilots who have been the most loyal "Yes" votes on every previous concessionary contract. ("Let My Daddy Vote".)

The fact that the flight originates in CLT has nothing at all to do with the A340 being based in CLT. Every transoceanic flight we operate now "originates" at an outlying city and has a change of gauge in PHL. The Beijing flight might leave CLT as an E190 with that flight number and switch to the A340 in PHL. In fact, right now, the first flight of the day CLT-PHL at around 6:30am? is a wide-body 767.
 
Every transoceanic flight we operate now "originates" at an outlying city and has a change of gauge in PHL.
Tell that to the folks that fly CLT-LGW-CLT and CLT-FRA-CLT.

Did not know they went through PHL.
 
The flights are in the morning and not during the peak transatlantic operation, so I don't know if gates are an issue as they can use a gate for Beijing that is usually a transatlantic gate because the Beijing flight would be before the transatlantic flight arrives or departs.

I surmise that your Sand Castle concept of "planning" only extends to the outbound flight.

The inbound flight from PEK is scheduled to arrive at 1400est. That may be coffee break/foosball time in Tempe, but in Philly it puts you right in the first International arrival bank. :shock:
 
Tell that to the folks that fly CLT-LGW-CLT and CLT-FRA-CLT.

Did not know they went through PHL.


It was obvious to everyone else that he was referring to PHL-Europe flights, and his point is valid as to the PHL-PEK issue.

Do keep chiming in, though, on all issues relating to flight operations. Your many valuable insights add so much to the discussions. :lol:
 
Flight #888
Origin: PEK
Departure Time: 1505
Destination: PHL
Arrival Time: 1600
Equipment: A340-300
Block Hours: 13:55
Seats: 42/227
Frequency: Daily
Time Difference: +13 hours
If the flight arrives from PEK at 4pm and doesn't go back up until the next day for the 10am departure, it would make sense to send it to a Euro destination (MOS, TEL, etc.) so the plane really gets some good utilization. That would, of course, require more than 2 in the fleet.
 
Word around the 330 tng center is that US will aquire 4 340-300s, Two of which are
ex air jamaica. (just passing the word, I didn't verify)

The groud school instructors have been selected and are on their way
to Miami for training. (shortly) I believe the check pilots are already
known also.

The 330 sim only requires about thirty mins to convert to 340.
 
Tell that to the folks that fly CLT-LGW-CLT and CLT-FRA-CLT.

Did not know they went through PHL.

OK. You got me there. I worded my post a bit incorrectly for the point I was trying to make. Change "every transoceanic flight" to "every PHL transoceanic flight" and THAT is more precisely my point.

Air Jamaica returning its A340's article. So Sounds like a good rumor.

That's the rumor at the CLT training center as of last week. Air Jamaica 340s coming to AAA, but only after they downgrade interiors.
 
If the flight arrives from PEK at 4pm and doesn't go back up until the next day for the 10am departure, it would make sense to send it to a Euro destination (MOS, TEL, etc.) so the plane really gets some good utilization. That would, of course, require more than 2 in the fleet.

They can't do that until they get the 3rd. If they sent the 340 out to Europe at, say, 5 pm, the plane would not be back in time for the 10 am departure to PEK. What is more likely to happen is that the plane will make up an evening flight to CLT for maintenance or something -- and return in the early morning (right now this is a 767). When we first got the 330, the plane went to MIA a lot, too. It will be interesting when they get the 3rd plane to see where they put it on the schedule. I vote to move a 330 to ATH and put the 340 on FCO or something.
 
Looking around at, I found that it is possible to put 269 seats (icluding 42 "premium" business class seats) in an A340-300, even without removing all the restrooms and galleys 😉
Finnair has that type of configuration. They even offer 32"pitch in coach. The difference is in the premium cabin. Finnair has 55" pitch there, whereas Air Canada has 63" (on the A340-500). That explains why AC has the same number of of seats on the larger type. However, Continental has 55" in their BusinessFirst cabin on the 757, I would not have a problem enduring that for 12 hours and I doubt that it would be a deal breaker for anyone.
 

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