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[Kev3188]

Why do you continue to insist on conflating poor leadership in one DL with representation overall?

 

[737823]

Because they are representative of the labor movement, you don't like the reality. How much better is DL 142? Why did they agree to such egregious terms when UA was profitable? Again if the 2005 agreement was appropriate when UA was bankrupt why did the IAM give unprecedented concessions?

Josh

 

[LD3]

 

I don't put DL on a pedestal either.

Bro...I believe even your biggest fans would call bull on that on........

 

[Kev3188]

 

Because they are representative of the labor movement, you don't like the reality.

Is that what it is, or are just upset that I'm not interested in helping you with the wedge?

 
 

Bro...I believe even your biggest fans would call bull on that on........

+1

 

[700UW]

Roach, Buffy, and Sito didn't shed a tear.

Remember these have only been dues payers since October (PCE) since sCO was unorganized, they join the IAM then get an agreement with the worst scope in the industry and lose their job. Unreal! Of course the IAM was the biggest winner in the IBT campaign, first IBT agreement was November 2010 so the IAM got to collect dues from day one administering the IBT contract, IBT made the investment organizing and only got to collect dues til July 2011. Really does a great job showing the organized what being a Machinist is all about (as the IAM videos say!).

Josh

See your hatred knows no bounds.

Sito was not GVP of transportation when UA shut down IND, try again and if I remember correctly neither was Roach, that would have been Bill Sherry.
 
The IBT had the worst scope language at UA for Ramp, there was no scope.
 
And lets see Delta shut down DFW and TPA hangars, where is your outrage there joshie?

AS shut down OAK HMV, why dont you criticize AMFA?
 
IBT is giving work away daily at UA and CO, where are your comments there?
 
AA shut down Alliance, where is your outrage against the TWU?

 

[737823]

See your hatred knows no bounds.
Sito was not GVP of transportation when UA shut down IND, try again and if I remember correctly neither was Roach, that would have been Bill Sherry.
 
The IBT had the worst scope language at UA for Ramp, there was no scope.

But he was still at the IAM

Josh

 

[700UW]

He was not involved with United, so try again he was a GLR in 1999 and was assigned to TWA then US.

 

[737823]

Both Roach and Sito have had more of a career with the IAM than with TWA.

Josh

 

[700UW]

Nope again.
 
Sito was with TWA from 1977 till 1999, before he went to be GLR, 1999-2014 is 15 years, not 22.

 

[WorldTraveler]

How can a group give something up if they don't have it in the first place?

 
Just because something doesn't exist in a CBA doesn't mean it isn't something you don't have.

If B6 or DL decided to put outsourced FAs on their airplanes, that would be a huge loss even those FAs don't have a CBA.
The fact that those companies haven't done it and won't shows those employees are valued by their employers enough to protect them, CBA or not. They do have protection.

I think its time for a refresh of the number of above and below wing locations where each of the network carriers have their own employees.

someone? Kev?
 

Bro...I believe even your biggest fans would call bull on that on........

just because there are many positive things to say about DL doesn't mean that I can't see that there are negatives. problem is that most people here want to discuss things where DL really is not any worse than its peers.

If someone would like to start a thread on the DL forum about what is wrong w/ DL and they can honestly look at other carriers on the same issue, I am more than willing to participate. But there is far too little willingness to be really honest about what is either good for someone else or bad for yourselves to have those kinds of conversations on this board.

 

[737823]

Nope again.
 
Sito was with TWA from 1977 till 1999, before he went to be GLR, 1999-2014 is 15 years, not 22.

He held positions in 142 and was Roach's assistant during his time as GVP Transportation. Roach was PDGC of DL 142 as well, you should know this.

Josh

 

[700UW]

He held positions in 142 and was Roach's assistant during his time as GVP Transportation. Roach was PDGC of DL 142 as well, you should know this.

Josh

Dude your lying again.

Roach was NEVER PDGC of DL 142, that would have been William O'Driscoll.
 
You lie like a persian rug.

 

Robert Roach Jr. is the 11th General Secretary-Treasurer since the founding of the International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers (IAM) in 1888.
 
Roach started in the IAM as a ramp serviceman for TWA in 1975 and was a member of Local Lodge 1056 in New York.  Soon after, he transferred to Local Lodge 1445 in Newark, NJ.  He was elected as a Shop Steward in 1976 and served as Grievance Committee Chairman from 1979 through 1992.  Roach also held other union positions in Local Lodge 1445, including Trustee, Vice President and President.
 
In 1984, he was elected District Lodge 142 Trustee and also served as coordinator for the District's Human Rights Committee. Roach became a District 142 General Chairman in 1992.
 
In 1994, Roach was appointed Transportation Department Special Representative and was appointed a Grand Lodge Representative (GLR) in 1996.  From GLR, Roach became General Vice President (GVP) of the Transportation Department on June 1, 1999, and was re-elected in 2001, 2005 and 2009.
 
As Transportation GVP, Roach regularly testified before Congress on aviation matters including aircraft maintenance oversight, aviation safety and security, bankruptcy reform, employee pensions, industry consolidation and the state of the airline industry. He served as a member of the International Transport Workers’ Federation Executive Board and Management Committees for over 12 years.
 
Roach has also served as a member of the Executive Committee of the AFL‐CIO’s Transportation Trades Department, an Executive Board member of the AFL‐CIO’s Maritime Trades Department and Trustee to the IAM National Pension Fund.
On January 1, 2012, he was appointed IAM General Secretary-Treasurer.
 
As General Secretary-Treasurer, Roach is responsible for directing the finances of the International Union, ensuring the IAM stays financially strong. He serves as Co-Chairperson of the IAM National Pension Fund and the IAM Health and Benefit Trust Fund.
 
General Secretary-Treasurer Roach currently serves as a member of the board for the Union Label & Service Trades Department and Union Privilege, and is a Labor Advisory Board Member of American Income Life.
 
He holds a B.S. in Labor and Management Relations from SUNY Empire State College’s Harry Van Arsdale Jr. Center for Labor Studies and is a graduate of the Labor Liberal Arts Program at Cornell University. He is currently enrolled in the Scheinman Institute on Conflict Resolution program at the Cornell University School of Industrial and Labor Relations.
 
 

Please show us where Roach was PDGC of 142, actually I dont know this, its news to me and William O'Driscoll.

 

Sito Pantoja initiated into IAM Local Lodge 1056 in Jamaica, NY in 1977 as an Aircraft & Powerplant Mechanic. He served as a shop steward at Local 1056 until he transferred to Local Lodge 949 in St. Louis in 1988. He served Local 949 as Trustee and Recording Secretary and has been a full-time IAM Representative since his 1991 election as member and later Chairman of the local’s Full-Time Grievance Committee.
 
Sito Pantoja was appointed Grand Lodge Special Representative in 1999 and GLR shortly thereafter. He was selected Administrative Assistant to GVP Roach in 2005. Sito was elected Chairman of the International Transport Workers' Federation's Civil Aviation Section in 2010.
 
A graduate of New York City’s Aviation High School, Sito holds a Bachelor's Degree in Labor Studies from the National Labor College.
 

And when Sito was a full time Grievance he spent all his time with TWA representing the employees at the local level, The IAM represented almost everyone at TWA except the pilots.

 

[737823]

The IAM represented almost everyone at TWA except the pilots.

And how well did that work out?

Josh

 

[Kev3188]

Just because something doesn't exist in a CBA doesn't mean it isn't something you don't have.

Riiiight. 🙄

They do have protection.

Such as?

just because there are many positive things to say about DL doesn't mean that I can't see that there are negatives. problem is that most people here want to discuss things where DL really is not any worse than its peers.

It's always someone else, isn't it?

 

[700UW]

And how well did that work out?

Josh

It actually worked out ok, the IAM kept TWA in business for years after they should have shutdown.
 
If you actually took the time to educate yourself, you would see Ichan and Bill Howard and others killed TWA.
 
The IAM was smart enough to attach the pensions to Engines and Aircraft to ensure the IAM members till this day are still getting their Pensions, and they werent dumped to the PBGC.
 
So come up with some more lies, and I am so glad you just ignored when I proved you wrong once again.