CM speakers flying domestic trips?

[nbmcg01]

I am hearing that the LOA CM speakers are now flying domestic trips. I understand that Intn' reserves can fly domestic trips in an "emergency" (who thought up that one?) but the LOA was to lock in these folks to the needed speaker position, no more, no less. I have also heard they are now being qualified on all aircraft. Long flight for a Super 80.. Surely this isn't true. I can't imagine the APFA not being on this like white on rice....yeah right...lol There are still f/as on furlough and this is nothing short of wrong.

 

[Maark767]

I am hearing that the LOA CM speakers are now flying domestic trips. I understand that Intn' reserves can fly domestic trips in an "emergency" (who thought up that one?) but the LOA was to lock in these folks to the needed speaker position, no more, no less. I have also heard they are now being qualified on all aircraft. Long flight for a Super 80.. Surely this isn't true. I can't imagine the APFA not being on this like white on rice....yeah right...lol There are still f/as on furlough and this is nothing short of wrong.

Most likely when they went thru new hire trng they were trained on all equipment. Also the contract does allow Int'l rsv to cover dom trips during critical manning periods. Im sure you'll have a field day with all this but this is how it's done here at AA. Not every clause in our contract is only sided to APFA, AA does have some "goodies" on their side just like the TWA contract did.

 

[Maark767]

I am hearing that the LOA CM speakers are now flying domestic trips. I understand that Intn' reserves can fly domestic trips in an "emergency" (who thought up that one?) but the LOA was to lock in these folks to the needed speaker position, no more, no less. I have also heard they are now being qualified on all aircraft. Long flight for a Super 80.. Surely this isn't true. I can't imagine the APFA not being on this like white on rice....yeah right...lol There are still f/as on furlough and this is nothing short of wrong.

It would not make sense to cancel Dom trips while paying Int'l rsv to sit around. Been this way since I've been here !!

 

[nbmcg01]

It would not make sense to cancel Dom trips while paying Int'l rsv to sit around. Been this way since I've been here !!

Because the CM speakers were hired out of seniority order there were specific restrictions to their job. This has nothing to do with TWA work rules. We had LOAs too and some were pretty stupid. The APFA professes to "protect" seniority at all costs, lets see them work for those still furloughed. If AA is that short (reserves are flying maximum hours) then send out those notices and get the last who want to return back to work. And do the right thing and at the very least offer first right of hire to those the APFA failed to protect (that fell off the seniority list).

Your answer seems to tbe the standard answer.."We've always done it this way". How is that working for you in 2011?

 

[fltguymk]

Because the CM speakers were hired out of seniority order there were specific restrictions to their job. This has nothing to do with TWA work rules. We had LOAs too and some were pretty stupid. The APFA professes to "protect" seniority at all costs, lets see them work for those still furloughed. If AA is that short (reserves are flying maximum hours) then send out those notices and get the last who want to return back to work. And do the right thing and at the very least offer first right of hire to those the APFA failed to protect (that fell off the seniority list).

Your answer seems to tbe the standard answer.."We've always done it this way". How is that working for you in 2011?

As usual, your posts are the same in nature as well. Attack the APFA...... Don't forget that with the CM LOA, an additional 200 FA's will be (100 already) be brought back early in exchange... You know it's on our contract INTL reserves can be used on DOM trips. There was nothing in the LOA that prohibited this.

 

[nbmcg01]

As usual, your posts are the same in nature as well. Attack the APFA...... Don't forget that with the CM LOA, an additional 200 FA's will be (100 already) be brought back early in exchange... You know it's on our contract INTL reserves can be used on DOM trips. There was nothing in the LOA that prohibited this.

That was not the intent of the LOA as presented to the f/as. Unlimited recall was already signed off by AA-APFA and would have been hard to go back on given the fact that AA had announced it as a "done deal". The "negatives" are poorly written, half ***** agreements that leave way too many loopholes. The CMSs being brought on out of seniority order were not to cause "harm" to those senior and were to fill a very narrowly defined need. Allowing them to fly domestic when there are senior f/as on furlough is "harm". I'll being willing to bet if you were in the furloughed's position, you would be questioning this also. I know, it is not the AA way (unless it specifcally impacts you- universal you)

 

[kirkpatrick]

but the LOA was to lock in these folks to the needed speaker position, no more, no less. I have also heard they are now being qualified on all aircraft.

I don't see that the LOA isn't being adhered to in this. The LOA was to hire them and put them on the line before senior furloughees. This point has been discussed and it's a done deal, like it or not.

The Mandarin speakers are full fledged flight attendants like the rest of us. No one said they'd be trained on only one aircraft type or that the normal rules for using reserves in an "emergency" would not be followed. Ask any of the ex-TWA speakers if they've ever worked a non-speaker flight.

MK (in ABQ)

 

[nbmcg01]

I don't see that the LOA isn't being adhered to in this. The LOA was to hire them and put them on the line before senior furloughees. This point has been discussed and it's a done deal, like it or not.

The Mandarin speakers are full fledged flight attendants like the rest of us. No one said they'd be trained on only one aircraft type or that the normal rules for using reserves in an "emergency" would not be followed. Ask any of the ex-TWA speakers if they've ever worked a non-speaker flight.

MK (in ABQ)

Mark, this isn't only a "TWA" issue. There is also a nAAtive f/a still furloughed (if you want to get technical). The former TWA speakers were not awarded positions OUT OF SENIORITY. Also, I would think those folks wanting transfers would be a tad upset. Yes, they are full fledged AA f/as BUT they were allowed to be hired and trained for very narrow scope reasons due to the breech of seniority rights. You're back, there are others still waiting. It was because of this narrow scope that no one yelled too loudly...

 

[fltguymk]

Mark, this isn't only a "TWA" issue. There is also a nAAtive f/a still furloughed (if you want to get technical). The former TWA speakers were not awarded positions OUT OF SENIORITY. Also, I would think those folks wanting transfers would be a tad upset. Yes, they are full fledged AA f/as BUT they were allowed to be hired and trained for very narrow scope reasons due to the breech of seniority rights. You're back, there are others still waiting. It was because of this narrow scope that no one yelled too loudly...

Seems the only one upset about this on here is you.. It is what it is. We all want the furlough's back ASAP, believe me. I do truly feel for them. However, we have bigger fish to fry right now than going off the deep end when CM speakers fly a dom. trip. It is perfectly legal and nothing anyone can do about it.

 

[kirkpatrick]

Mark, this isn't only a "TWA" issue.

I didn't mean to make it a TWA issue. Let me change my comment by saying "ask any speaker in any base if they've ever flown a non-speaker trip."

You're back, there are others still waiting.

This has nothing to do with me being back. The LOA on CM speakers is water under the bridge - a done deal, and we can't do anything about it. This is about whether the LOA was broken by using CM's on domestic, which is allowed by the contract. Read the letter. Absolutely nowhere does it imply that the CM's were to be restricted to a certain route or equipment type.

I'm not saying I like or dislike the CM agreement or the use of CM's on domestic when the company feels it's necessary. I'm stating that the LOA says nothing about the CM's being treated any differently from any other international speaker.

MK (in ABQ)

 

[sickoftwa]

I am hearing that the LOA CM speakers are now flying domestic trips. I understand that Intn' reserves can fly domestic trips in an "emergency" (who thought up that one?) but the LOA was to lock in these folks to the needed speaker position, no more, no less. I have also heard they are now being qualified on all aircraft. Long flight for a Super 80.. Surely this isn't true. I can't imagine the APFA not being on this like white on rice....yeah right...lol There are still f/as on furlough and this is nothing short of wrong.

As usual you are wrong. If you knew the contract you would realize new hires must serve one full month of avb prior to sitting reserve. Not one speaker was used on domestic last month since only reserves can be called out domestically. July will be the first reserve month and most will hold off of reserve as 3 will be used per line. For someone who purports to have such a fulfilling life you spend an awful lot of time on forums spreading wrong contractual information just to stir an empty pot.

 

[nbmcg01]

As usual you are wrong. If you knew the contract you would realize new hires must serve one full month of avb prior to sitting reserve. Not one speaker was used on domestic last month since only reserves can be called out domestically. July will be the first reserve month and most will hold off of reserve as 3 will be used per line. For someone who purports to have such a fulfilling life you spend an awful lot of time on forums spreading wrong contractual information just to stir an empty pot.

Actually, they have to serve reserve. And the information came from nAAtives. It was emailed to me by an AA f/a from the 4M. It is only important if it happens to you. Their reserve is one on one off.

 

[sickoftwa]

Actually, they have to serve reserve. And the information came from nAAtives. It was emailed to me by an AA f/a from the 4M. It is only important if it happens to you. Their reserve is one on one off.

No they do not have to serve reserve as they can bid off. The contract clearly allows for speakers to hold off as japanese speakers and Swedish did for years. Their names will appear on the reserve list for July but they will either bid or be drafted for pvg. Only 2 will be required per the contract to serve reserve as they now have enough to cover the 30 speaker positions. This never appeared on the 4m as the information is completely wrong. Every cm speaker was either on avb or held pvg outright for the month of June. May was their first partial month so they were on avb. Learn the contract if your going to present fictional info as fact. Your pot is still empty and yet you continue stirring.
CLEARLY YOU DO NOT KNOW OUR CONTRACT OR YOU WOULD HAVE KNOWN WHAT YOU WERE SUGGESTING ISN'T EVEN POSSIBLE. NOW MOVE ALONG THERE IS NOTHING TO SEE HERE.

 

[care2purchasefood?]

No they do not have to serve reserve as they can bid off. The contract clearly allows for speakers to hold off as japanese speakers and Swedish did for years. Their names will appear on the reserve list for July but they will either bid or be drafted for pvg. Only 2 will be required per the contract to serve reserve as they now have enough to cover the 30 speaker positions. This never appeared on the 4m as the information is completely wrong. Every cm speaker was either on avb or held pvg outright for the month of June. May was their first partial month so they were on avb. Learn the contract if your going to present fictional info as fact. Your pot is still empty and yet you continue stirring.
CLEARLY YOU DO NOT KNOW OUR CONTRACT OR YOU WOULD HAVE KNOWN WHAT YOU WERE SUGGESTING ISN'T EVEN POSSIBLE. NOW MOVE ALONG THERE IS NOTHING TO SEE HERE.

Here is the full agreement regarding the CM Speakers. Nancy, you are once again WRONG!

 

[IORFA]

I personally have flown with some of them already. One, they are really proficient in working positions on the plane. Like they have been doing it for years. Also, they have been working a lot of galley positions on the 777. Particularly pos.5 (F/C) galley and #4 (B/C) galley. I have heard nothing but praise for their skill and preparation for the positions. Granted, I personally only flew with 2 so far, so take it for what it is. Two, they have been on AVBL for the last month and a half. They have NOT had the opportunity to fly domestic, and there is no real way for an international line holding F/A to get a domestic trip. So your information is completely FALSE. Starting July, they will be bidding and holding PVG. The bottom 4-6 F/A's will be rotating on reserve, 2-3 per month. The rest will be bid denied to fly PVG if they don't bid it first. PVD's have been semi plentiful this month and they are under the impression that it is so easy to get NRT and LHR trips!! HAHAHAHAHA, if they only knew. So yes, next month a very small minority of them will be avbl to fly a domestic trip if needed while on reserve. The LOA never says they can't do that. Only you did nbmcg01. They are F/A's with the only restrictions that they don't accrue occupational seniority till everyone is recalled and that they are stuck in LAX-I till everyone is recalled. Big issue deflated. Next topic?