CM speakers flying domestic trips?

[nbmcg01]

I personally have flown with some of them already. One, they are really proficient in working positions on the plane. Like they have been doing it for years. Also, they have been working a lot of galley positions on the 777. Particularly pos.5 (F/C) galley and #4 (B/C) galley. I have heard nothing but praise for their skill and preparation for the positions. Granted, I personally only flew with 2 so far, so take it for what it is. Two, they have been on AVBL for the last month and a half. They have NOT had the opportunity to fly domestic, and there is no real way for an international line holding F/A to get a domestic trip. So your information is completely FALSE. Starting July, they will be bidding and holding PVG. The bottom 4-6 F/A's will be rotating on reserve, 2-3 per month. The rest will be bid denied to fly PVG if they don't bid it first. PVD's have been semi plentiful this month and they are under the impression that it is so easy to get NRT and LHR trips!! HAHAHAHAHA, if they only knew. So yes, next month a very small minority of them will be avbl to fly a domestic trip if needed while on reserve. The LOA never says they can't do that. Only you did nbmcg01. They are F/A's with the only restrictions that they don't accrue occupational seniority till everyone is recalled and that they are stuck in LAX-I till everyone is recalled. Big issue deflated. Next topic?

I only asked because of an inquiry on 4M. The intent was to support PVG. How would you feel if you had your transfer into LAX-I (or LAX) and watched these flts go to newhires. Performance was never an issue and I don't doubt they are excellent workers. Go fuss with 4M as they raised the question. If using the CMSs on Domestic constitutes an emergency use then recall. If AA has to pay them for not flying, so be it. No different than the AA f/as going to TWA-LLC. Badly worded agreement and really allows AA unbelievable latitude...but then you're not waiting for the recall letter and watching junior f/as fly..

 

[IORFA]

I only asked because of an inquiry on 4M. The intent was to support PVG. How would you feel if you had your transfer into LAX-I (or LAX) and watched these flts go to newhires. Performance was never an issue and I don't doubt they are excellent workers. Go fuss with 4M as they raised the question. If using the CMSs on Domestic constitutes an emergency use then recall. If AA has to pay them for not flying, so be it. No different than the AA f/as going to TWA-LLC. Badly worded agreement and really allows AA unbelievable latitude...but then you're not waiting for the recall letter and watching junior f/as fly..

First, you made a statement that it was positive that they were flying domestic trips. Completely FALSE. They flew a domestic trip during training to get qualified, that's it. If/when Int'l F/A's are used on domestic, AA is way down the steps for filling open time. Trust me when I say that it rarely happens. When it does, it is usually for a day or 2, for a trip or 2 and for a F/A or 2. It really isn't a big deal. It also is in NO way a reason to recall F/A's. If it were happening all the time, that would be different. In my opinion the agreement is worded fine. AA hires new F/A's. They have 2 restrictions. Otherwise, they are no different than anyone else on the seniority list. Why is that bad? Using your logic, the unlucky few that will have to serve reserve should sit at home all month till AA needs to fill one of the 3 CM speaking positions on PVG out of LAX only. That is simply ridiculous, same as your stance to the topic you started.

 

[czerny]

First, you made a statement that it was positive that they were flying domestic trips. Completely FALSE. They flew a domestic trip during training to get qualified, that's it. If/when Int'l F/A's are used on domestic, AA is way down the steps for filling open time. Trust me when I say that it rarely happens. When it does, it is usually for a day or 2, for a trip or 2 and for a F/A or 2. It really isn't a big deal. It also is in NO way a reason to recall F/A's. If it were happening all the time, that would be different. In my opinion the agreement is worded fine. AA hires new F/A's. They have 2 restrictions. Otherwise, they are no different than anyone else on the seniority list. Why is that bad? Using your logic, the unlucky few that will have to serve reserve should sit at home all month till AA needs to fill one of the 3 CM speaking positions on PVG out of LAX only. That is simply ridiculous, same as your stance to the topic you started.

I'm a CM speaker based in IOR. Last month on rsv, I flew a PHL turn on the S80 along with 3 other international rsvs. It is what it is. My last month in LGA, I flew with 2 Chinese American former TWA fas, one of whom is fluent in Mandarin and chooses not to get qualified. The other did not grow up speaking Mandarin and has no desire to learn. Any fa was given an opportunity to get qualified as CM speakers and 4 positions were opened in the May proffer into IOR as CM speakers. None of the former TWA fas or anyone currently on furlough chose to get qualified as CM speakers or they would have been recalled out of senioroity order into LAX-I. I was the only CM speaker to come back to IOR in May. None of the recalled or furloughed fas came into IOR as CM or FN speakers. I'm surprised with as many international routes that TWA had, none of their former cabin crew were ever qualified or want to qualify as Mandarin speakers.

 

[Veritas]

A CM Speaker's point of view as posted on the AA 4M:

Subject: [aafa4m] From A CM Speaker in LA

I am extrememly disappointed that there was no mention of the 30 new hires allowed into the system in violation of the systemwide seniority iof 18,000.

No mention of the hostile work environment for the new hire CM speakers,

no mention of the 110 non speaker proffer changed to 73 non speakers,

no mention of the 30 non speaker F/A's who would have held this proffer and the butterfly affect systemwide for 18,000,

no mention of the senior CM speakers who cannot hold a proffer to LAXI in the future because the new hire CM's in the base delete the need and negate the need for a proffer again negating the seniroity rights of CM speakers already in the system,

no mention of how the "recall rights" issue for furloughed F/A's which had already been negotiated and agreed to years ago was just discarded because the APFA chose to discard it on a whim to give the company what they have long wanted. Apparently it wasn't negotiated well enough in the first place.....(by APFA that is. AA seems to have stellar negotiators!)

no mention of how the "new hire 30" F/A's may be working for years before we bring any furloughs back,

no mention of how AA still had the option to optimize the use of the existing speakers with option II before hiring new hire F/A's,

no mention of the CM speakers who took the proffer into LAX without being informed of the hostile environment being created by AA and APFA,

no mention of the history that AA has for favoring native Chinese Speakers over their own American On The Line F/A's who is supposed to have APFA to protect them and not "unprecedently" give away our seniority on a whim!

Gee, what a precedent you have created here APFA!!! You chose 264 furloughs who may come back at no specific time, who couldn't hold LAX I ANYWAY, and for those years they don't come back, the non speaker F/A's who would have held the proffer lose how much money? Whilst the new hires, qualified and cheap hold the lines these F/A's waited decades to hold....

HOW COULD YOU?!

xxxxx xxxxx
CM Speaker

 

[FurloughedByAPFA]

First, you made a statement that it was positive that they were flying domestic trips. Completely FALSE. They flew a domestic trip during training to get qualified, that's it. If/when Int'l F/A's are used on domestic, AA is way down the steps for filling open time. Trust me when I say that it rarely happens. When it does, it is usually for a day or 2, for a trip or 2 and for a F/A or 2. It really isn't a big deal. It also is in NO way a reason to recall F/A's. If it were happening all the time, that would be different. In my opinion the agreement is worded fine. AA hires new F/A's. They have 2 restrictions. Otherwise, they are no different than anyone else on the seniority list. Why is that bad? Using your logic, the unlucky few that will have to serve reserve should sit at home all month till AA needs to fill one of the 3 CM speaking positions on PVG out of LAX only. That is simply ridiculous, same as your stance to the topic you started.

Have you been drinking?

I hope so because otherwise your statement "It really isn't a big deal. It also is in NO way a reason to recall F/A's" is absurd. It is, in fact, an opportunity to call AA on their nonsense.

May I suggest you research some sort of 12-step program in regards to anger management. :wacko:

 

[kirkpatrick]

I'm surprised with as many international routes that TWA had, none of their former cabin crew were ever qualified or want to qualify as Mandarin speakers.

We lost Hong Kong and Taipei in 1975 in a route swap with PanAm. We had a lot of international routes but no Chinese speaking routes after that.

And some people don't welcome the restrictions that being a speaker brings on.

MK

 

[IORFA]

Have you been drinking?

I hope so because otherwise your statement "It really isn't a big deal. It also is in NO way a reason to recall F/A's" is absurd. It is, in fact, an opportunity to call AA on their nonsense.

May I suggest you research some sort of 12-step program in regards to anger management. :wacko:

I'm CRAZY because I see NO need to bring back furloughs, because one base uses 4-5 international F/A's on domestic for one trip for the entire month? Maybe you should pass the rest of us what you have been smoking/drinking! It is no big deal for international F/A's to work a domestic trip. AA only does it as a last resort. Believe me when the I say the union hears about it and tries to minimize it to the best of their abilities on a local level. I am still on reserve on international and can count on one hand how many times I have received a domestic trip in all my years. Yes, I still do reserve 3 times a year and I also do December. When AA is in this need, it is usually for a day or 2 and for a F/A or 2. Not whole sale F/A's by the hundreds. That doesn't make AA understaffed, just short for that one day. It would be absurd to recall for one day. How crazy are you to suggest they do that? When AA recalls, it won't be because 2 F/A's worked a domestic trip on international reserve. You need to take a breath and rejoin reality. I fail to see how by using logic, I need to go to anger management, but if it makes you feel better so be it. Please feel free to pass along the 12-step program that worked best for you. Maybe we all need to see the world through your messed up glasses.