Dec 2012/Jan 2013 IAM Fleet Service Discussions

[Kev3188]

I just don't think that now is the time for our union to get all uppity and making demands , we should do all that we can possibly do to help secure this merger and talk of strike is unwarrnted.

Freedom, see below:

I'd love to see the day when the IAM or TWU fight. And fighting doesn't mean exclusively to do a strike vote or go out on strike and never come back. Labor unions, in general, don't think. Very few are creative or use critical thinking enough to shift the paradigm that has workers 'doomed' in this country and spiriling downward. Employing other principles often associated with the civil rights movement, and key strategic morphs, would change the leverage and change the outcome. Some 'legal' ways to engage the problem 'off the property' would accelerate negotiations and bring peace of mind to the workers with a suitable and respectable contract. Even using the RLA to the unions advantage [yes models do exist] change the leverage and outcomes. As I look at Labor in this industry, what I see are Labor unions who are lazy and settle wherever management wants them to settle at. And the only fight is maybe a website update calling management names. When there is a fight, it's gotta involve academics and tackling the problem of leverage. Unfortunately, Labor unions have been lazy regarding that in this industry whether intentionally or unintentionally so. In the meantime, there is a new class in this country called 'working class'. And although the term isn't new, it has shifted and is no longer associated or tangent to 'middle class'. regards,

^This^

 

[737823]

Geez. In ORD it seems like many AMR FSC, if not all that I speak to, hate the TWU but they are concerned with the IAM and seniority. Then they blame DFW for always doing what the TWU says to do. Not sure whether true or not but the folks I know in ORD seemed like they were bigtime against this latest contract and blame DFW and MIA for voting it in. regards,

They have good reason to be concerned, the IAM screwed over the TWA workers despite 700's attempts to control the damage. Tim, I also wonder what the perception of the IAM is as an organization among AA workers. The IAM has no experience bargaining with AA management, has produced numerous concessionary agreements at HA, NW, UA, US and other non-airline agreements like Caterpillar and Lockheed Martin.

Josh

 

[737823]

What the TWU thinks of Tim:

You are just like john john, link copy paste. And this letter was from many years back. Remember when I posted the letter from the IAM international about the possibility of facing bankruptcy and consolidating local lodges? You said the letter was old and no longer relevant. Well the same goes here then. Your hatred of Tim and the AGW shows, you do not like that he uses facts (like the IAM adding ready reserve at Hawaiian) and legitimately criticizes IAM officials.

Josh

 

[ograc]

There seems to be plenty of dissention, mistrust, dissatisfaction and differing opinions of both the IAM and TWU. IMO... the conditions and environment could be right for a third union to launch a card signing campaign to get into the mix concerning future representation of a combined Fleet in the event of a merger. Would anyone like to weigh in?

 

[mike33]

There seems to be plenty of dissention, mistrust, dissatisfaction and differing opinions of both the IAM and TWU. IMO... the conditions and environment could be right for a third union to launch a card signing campaign to get into the mix concerning future representation of a combined Fleet in the event of a merger. Would anyone like to weigh in?

It will be the same......cant please everyone. Never will be able to. Whats better 50/50 or 33.33/33.33/33.33 ?

 

[Harry Callahan]

Freedom is the same person who threw the outstations under the bus for a few pieces of silver, he is pro-management and screwed his coworkers.

Karma is a wonderful thing, if he thinks a merger means job security then he has no clue, PHX will be downsized and then he will see what he forced upon his coworkers.

He doesnt understand how things work, the IAMNPF if 105% funded, and the TWU just gave up their 5.5% 401k match and got it lowered, so he will have no pension if FSA falls under that CBA.

We all have tried to educate him, its a waste of time and energy.

IF TWU comes in do we who are retired loose our pension ?

 

[700UW]

They have good reason to be concerned, the IAM screwed over the TWA workers despite 700's attempts to control the damage. Tim, I also wonder what the perception of the IAM is as an organization among AA workers. The IAM has no experience bargaining with AA management, has produced numerous concessionary agreements at HA, NW, UA, US and other non-airline agreements like Caterpillar and Lockheed Martin.

Josh

How many times are you going to lie about this?

It went to arbitration, the arbiter ruled on it, not the IAM.

 

[700UW]

No, you cant lose something that is all ready vested.

 

[robbedagain]

mike as far as the link you provided, that sure sucks for you to lose the me too clause in the event of a merger, but reading thru that it sure seems like you aa folks make up if we do merge by getting a 4.3 percent raise but give up the coc and the me too clauses... id have to ask. is it worth losing two items to get the 4,3 my opin its not but then again may be mgmt is thinkin hey we got the twu for fsa we will screw them continuously over n over bec twu wont fight i be willin to bet that mgmt think bec it sure shows as for you freedom, youll never understand... first you voted in an 08 contract that effectively wiped out most of the west cities then you went crying bec you lost your cities may be next time youll look thoroughly at a agreement before voting it in

 

[ograc]

Freedom is the same person who threw the outstations under the bus for a few pieces of silver, he is pro-management and screwed his coworkers.

Karma is a wonderful thing, if he thinks a merger means job security then he has no clue, PHX will be downsized and then he will see what he forced upon his coworkers.

He doesnt understand how things work, the IAMNPF if 105% funded, and the TWU just gave up their 5.5% 401k match and got it lowered, so he will have no pension if FSA falls under that CBA.

We all have tried to educate him, its a waste of time and energy.

Those who live by the sword shall perish by the sword. How appropriate.

 

[cltrat]

You are just like john john, link copy paste. And this letter was from many years back. Remember when I posted the letter from the IAM international about the possibility of facing bankruptcy and consolidating local lodges? You said the letter was old and no longer relevant. Well the same goes here then. Your hatred of Tim and the AGW shows, you do not like that he uses facts (like the IAM adding ready reserve at Hawaiian) and legitimately criticizes IAM officials.

Josh

and you are no different, you ignore that TWU has done nothing but give away after give away.
You have no skin in the game and read this clearly zero again zero credibilty with anyone here. do us all a favor and go away.

 

[JFK Fleet Service]

Dupe.

 

[JFK Fleet Service]

What,let an arbitrator settle the seniority integration for fleet and M&R?

Funny you forgot to mention that.

Also assuming the IAM would prevail in an election should it come to that.

What is your stake in this,besides being the IAM version of World Traveller?

 

[freedom]

No harry you will not lose your " guranteed IAM pension " even those of us who have only been paying in for the min number of Years will still get a pension when we retire someday ( but I doubt it will be what they promise us )

 

[freedom]

I voted for the 08 contract because I had NO CHOICE , those who are former west will understand .

One thing I will say is that I learned MANY things about mergers and what kind of things occur in mergers ,I am PLEASED to negotiate a new contract in a merger because that is the environment I am familiar with .

While many of you are freaked out I am not , HOME COURT ADVANTAGE , but before the game can start we must choose sides , then the fun will Begin.