Dec 2012 / Jan 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Claxon]

If the america west pilots, army of lyingitas, goes ahead with their threat of posting contribution levels of the west pilots, it is a form of workplace harassment that the company has to deal with IMHO.

http://leonidas.cactuspilots.us/index.php?view=article&id=227:leonidas-update-december-02-2012&format=pdf

 

[traderjake]

If the america west pilots, army of lyingitas, goes ahead with their threat of posting contribution levels of the west pilots, it is a form of workplace harassment that the company has to deal with IMHO.

You're confusing Leonidas with USAPA's "pink panty award" committee.

 

[cleardirect]

Us, not you.

What???

Are you saying that usapa is not going to protect the west pilots?

Shocking.

Too bad for you we are all in this together. One company, one union, one pilot group.

That is what the east pilots told the NMB right? Or did you east pilots lie to the NMB and we really are not a single carrier and pilot group?

 

[nic4us]

If the america west pilots, army of lyingitas, goes ahead with their threat of posting contribution levels of the west pilots, it is a form of workplace harassment that the company has to deal with IMHO.

Triple dog dare them!!!!!

 

[cleardirect]

The rico charge was dismissed. The judge noted that the behavior of the west pilots could be pursued in an appropriate court. Read page 45 of 48 in following link.

http://leonidas.cact...ct/97 Order.pdf

How did that work out? Never filed the only smart thing usapa ever did.

BTW the fourth circuit upheld that dismissal of the false charges. Now that you know you can not bring it up again.

 

[cleardirect]

If the america west pilots, army of lyingitas, goes ahead with their threat of posting contribution levels of the west pilots, it is a form of workplace harassment that the company has to deal with IMHO.

http://leonidas.cactuspilots.us/index.php?view=article&id=227:leonidas-update-december-02-2012&format=pdf

Kind of like when usapa poster the names of people flying more than 85 hours?

You don't work at us airways why are you concerned about what happen at our work place?

Is your life so pathetic that you have to spend so much time worrying about what happen to other people?

 

[Phoenix]

What???

Are you saying that usapa is not going to protect the west pilots?

Shocking.

Too bad for you we are all in this together. One company, one union, one pilot group.

That is what the east pilots told the NMB right? Or did you east pilots lie to the NMB and we really are not a single carrier and pilot group?

Relax a little. No one has anything against our good friends in the West and our reps are doing their best to advance to common interests of all pilots they represent. Luv isn't suggesting otherwise, but he has said that the West will be sold off, in which case it might not be too easy for you to keep the robust protections of USAPA, unless you try really hard.

 

[nic4us]

Did you write your check out to the army of lyingitas intimidation campaign yet?

BTW...never lived in my parents basement...is that where yours kept you?

Also, don't have to worry about the AOL list, even though my name won't be on it, I asked them to not publish my name. The one good thing uscaba has done for me over the last 5 years is saved me around 15k in union dues, see I don't pay the scabs, so I had enough to contribute plenty to AOL!


So when you see the list, try and remember that if you take 3k and multiply, then take 1.5 k and multiply....you still won't get the anywhere near the total number of dollars that have been collected to put the usapa scabs in their place!!!

Oh, and Claxhole, when you see the list try to remember that

 

[cleardirect]

If the america west pilots, army of lyingitas, goes ahead with their threat of posting contribution levels of the west pilots, it is a form of workplace harassment that the company has to deal with IMHO.

http://leonidas.cactuspilots.us/index.php?view=article&id=227:leonidas-update-december-02-2012&format=pdf

Man this contributors list has you really bugged.

What is the problem? You are going to have a chance to see that support for the nicolau award is coming from ALL levels of seniority. Not as the east has tried to sell only from the bottom or that the senior pilots are upset and willing to accept DOH.

Just to remind you gold is $1500 and titanium is $3000. No intimidation no threats just a desire to see justice and get what we agreed to.

How long do you think usapa would survive without the threat of section 29 and forcing dues from the pilots?

 

[nic4us]

The rico charge was dismissed. The judge noted that the behavior of the west pilots could be pursued in an appropriate court. Read page 45 of 48 in following link.

http://leonidas.cact...ct/97 Order.pdf

And had usapa filed in the appropriate state court they would have lost their azzezz for filing a harassing lawsuit against innocent people who have not only a First amendment right, but also an NLRB right to organze and speak out against a union.


Now run along little girl, and go console your scab east pilot husband who is a first class POS in my book!

 

[Claxon]

Where is that contract usapa promised?

How is it that the APA can vote for an MOU in one day. Usapa is going on day three.

Weak ass leadership.

News Release​

Release #02.007
January 16, 2002
America West Pilots Call for Return to Mediated Negotiations
PHOENIX — The pilots of America West Airlines, represented by the Air Line Pilots Association, International (ALPA), today requested that the National Mediation Board quickly resume mediated negotiations between the union and America West management for a new contract.
"Management has shown their commitment to compensating the government through the terms of their loan guarantee," said Eric Edwards, vice chairman of the America West unit of ALPA. "Now it is time for management to show the same commitment to the employees who have repeatedly sacrificed and invested in this airline by resuming good faith negotiations with us."
As part of the agreement with the Air Transportation Stabilization Board, America West committed to keeping labor costs to those outlined in the company’s seven-year business plan. "Management has an obligation to negotiate with the unions representing America West employees no matter what commitments they make to the government," Edwards said. The pilots believe that this condition imposed by the federal government could interfere with their collective bargaining rights and are exploring all legal options if those rights are restricted.
"The federal government, which is mediating our negotiations as a neutral third party, could become a major shareholder in the airline," Edwards said. "This could present a conflict of interest that would compromise our legal bargaining rights."
The pilots, who have been negotiating with America West since February 2000, lag considerably behind their counterparts at other major carriers despite having much more demanding schedules and constraints within which to fly. They are seeking to address the following issues in their negotiations:

• No pension and no retiree medical benefits;
• Scheduling enhancements that increase productivity while on duty and, at the same time, restore sensible rest requirements;
• A commitment from management to reverse the punitive attitude toward employees and comply with the collective bargaining agreement, which they have failed to do as evidenced by the more than 300 grievances filed by pilots in 2001 alone;
• Job protection measures that limit management’s intention to outsource the pilots’ flying careers to smaller carriers; and
•Hourly pay rates that are as much as 74 percent below major airline industry average.​

Including the 1,800 America West pilots, ALPA represents 66,000 members at 46 airlines in the United States and Canada.

 

[Phoenix]

Gee, the temperature in Phoenix must be too hot for pilots to play outside.

 

[Claxon]

And had usapa filed in the appropriate state court they would have lost their azzezz for filing a harassing lawsuit against innocent people who have not only a First amendment right, but also an NLRB right to organze and speak out against a union.


Now run along little girl, and go console your scab east pilot husband who is a first class POS in my book!

I am not allowed to have a husband because of state laws where I reside.

 

[cleardirect]

Relax a little. No one has anything against our good friends in the West and our reps are doing their best to advance to common interests of all pilots they represent. Luv isn't suggesting otherwise, but he has said that the West will be sold off, in which case it might not be too easy for you to keep the robust protections of USAPA, unless you try really hard.

So business guru. Who is the west going to be sold to?

Just what in your tiny mind do you think will be sold off? Like is said before you told the NMB that we were one pilot group and one carrier.

Besides you are convinced that you are going to get DOH why would you want together rid of 1800 pilots junior to you?

Could it be that even you know it is going to be the Nicolau and the only way to avoid that is hope against hope that somehow the west pilots are somehow removed?

I am more than happy to keep the east around. I love having a couple thousand east pilots junior to me.

 

[Claxon]

Man this contributors list has you really bugged.

What is the problem? You are going to have a chance to see that support for the nicolau award is coming from ALL levels of seniority. Not as the east has tried to sell only from the bottom or that the senior pilots are upset and willing to accept DOH.

Just to remind you gold is $1500 and titanium is $3000. No intimidation no threats just a desire to see justice and get what we agreed to.

How long do you think usapa would survive without the threat of section 29 and forcing dues from the pilots?

Intimidation from army of lyingitas. Post the names tomorrow, I will handle the rest. Make my day.